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#Post#: 480977--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: ben
Date: October 7, 2023, 2:22 pm
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I won't beat this rather dead horse any more, but I just found
this quote from Hoyer concerning Morel back in June:
"“He’s done a nice job sort of bouncing around, but I do think
that for some guys, it’s important to find a position and settle
in,” Hoyer said.
“We’d love to be able to find that spot. I think third makes
some sense. His hands work really well. He probably needs to
spend a lot of time working through some footwork things. He’s
got such a strong arm, he should be able to do it."\
That was roughly four months ago, so maybe Hoyer's thoughts have
changed. After seeing Shaw's bat, maybe they view him as the
long-term answer at 3rd. Maybe Hoyer wants to sign Candelario
(assuming Belli doesn't return) for his versatility. Maybe
he'll soon be shopping Morel.
The issue will likely play out in '24. It is nice to have some
young guys to talk about who've stepped up and can clearly play
MLB.
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Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: davep
Date: October 7, 2023, 5:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Reb link ---
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>
> His lack of defensive value in 2023, however, resulted in a
bWAR of only 1.2 and 1.4 fWAR. That’s in only 429 PAs, so we
could prorate for a full season to 2 WAR——an average regular
(Schwarber was 1.4 fWAR and 0.7 bWAR in 720 PAs).
>
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--- End Quote ---
How is the defensive value calculated? In other words, does the
time spent as a DH (not in the field) affect his WAR?
#Post#: 480986--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: Ron
Date: October 7, 2023, 5:16 pm
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--- Quote from: ben link ---
>
> I won't beat this rather dead horse any more, but I just found
this quote from Hoyer concerning Morel back in June:
>
> "“He’s done a nice job sort of bouncing around, but I do think
that for some guys, it’s important to find a position and settle
in,” Hoyer said.
>
> “We’d love to be able to find that spot. I think third makes
some sense. His hands work really well. He probably needs to
spend a lot of time working through some footwork things. He’s
got such a strong arm, he should be able to do it."\
>
> That was roughly four months ago, so maybe Hoyer's thoughts
have changed. After seeing Shaw's bat, maybe they view him as
the long-term answer at 3rd. Maybe Hoyer wants to sign
Candelario (assuming Belli doesn't return) for his versatility.
Maybe he'll soon be shopping Morel.
>
> The issue will likely play out in '24. It is nice to have
some young guys to talk about who've stepped up and can clearly
play MLB.
>
--- End Quote ---
It will be interesting to see if the Cubs have Morel working on
mastering 3B over the winter.
#Post#: 480987--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: Ron
Date: October 7, 2023, 5:22 pm
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Given that the Cubs' top position prospects, not counting Shaw
anyway, (PCA, Caissie and Alcantara) along with Canario, are all
OF, I am curious whether any thought has been given to trying
someone at 3B (or even 1B). Perhaps a question reflecting my
ignorance?
#Post#: 480991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: JeffH
Date: October 7, 2023, 6:05 pm
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Deeg, would you give Bellinger $200/8? Would you go higher? If
no to both, what would be your limit?
#Post#: 480992--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: Playtwo
Date: October 7, 2023, 6:24 pm
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I think it's fascinating to consider how the Cubs should handle
PCA. Do you throw him out there as the starting CFer in 2024
and let him try to adjust at the plate? Do you give him
extended time at AAA to show he can dominate there before
bringing him up? If he (unexpectedly) doesn't display a ML bat,
you better have resigned Bellinger (or the equivalent). If he
does display a ML bat, you're in a position to ask Bellinger to
play 1B almost exclusively if you re-sign him. Are you
confident enough in the long term value of his bat to pay him a
fortune for 8+ years to play 1B? Is he even willing to be
considered a full-time first baseman?
It's going to be quite the offseason!
#Post#: 480995--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 7, 2023, 6:59 pm
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--- Quote from: JeffH link ---
>
> Deeg, would you give Bellinger $200/8? Would you go higher?
If no to both, what would be your limit?
>
--- End Quote ---
I'd go 8/200 but that would be pretty close to my limit. And I
don't think it would be enough.
I have to admit those batted ball metrics scare me a little.
#Post#: 480996--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: brjones
Date: October 7, 2023, 7:12 pm
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I never got invested in the 2023 team and I didn't see Bellinger
on a day-to-day basis. So maybe I'm not the best judge of what
the Cubs should do with him this offseason. But I am very
skeptical that he'll be worth anywhere close to what he's going
to cost on the open market. His quality of contact numbers never
really improved much as the season went on, so it looks like he
overperformed this year on paper. I think rather see the Cubs
just move on and spend his money somewhere else.
Unfortunately, unless you want to pay Aaron Nola coming off
arguably his worst season, there's not really anywhere else to
spend that money in a way that makes a difference.
#Post#: 480997--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: October 7, 2023, 7:18 pm
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Heh. br, most games Bellinger was the only reason to watch.
Metics, schmetrics, he put butts in the seats and tv sets on.
#Post#: 480998--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘24
DIR By: davep
Date: October 7, 2023, 7:30 pm
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He did last year, but not so much the couple of years before
that.
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