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       #Post#: 482072--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: brjones
       Date: November 6, 2023, 1:54 pm
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       The Cubs have officially announced that Ross is fired and
       Counsell will be the new manager.
       #Post#: 482075--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: davep
       Date: November 6, 2023, 1:58 pm
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       --- Quote from: VJ link ---
       >
       > Hopefully opening up the wallet for a manager with the biggest
       deal ever foreshadows a fun free agency...
       >
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       I doubt that it will have any effect one way or another.  As far
       as I know, the manager's salary is not part of the luxury
       calculation, so if fear of going over it was important to the
       Cubs management, this signing won't have any effect on it.
       But to me, it does reinforce the belief that the Cubs management
       are much more worried about the non-monetary penalties of the
       luxury tax than they are about the actual cash involved.
       #Post#: 482076--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: CUBluejays
       Date: November 6, 2023, 2:04 pm
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       --- Quote from: davep link ---
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       > I doubt that it will have any effect one way or another.  As
       far as I know, the manager's salary is not part of the luxury
       calculation, so if fear of going over it was important to the
       Cubs management, this signing won't have any effect on it.
       >
       > But to me, it does reinforce the belief that the Cubs
       management are much more worried about the non-monetary
       penalties of the luxury tax than they are about the actual cash
       involved.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I think the thinking is that if the Cubs are paying their
       manager $8 million, they aren't going to be rolling out a
       .500ish level team and significant additions could be expected
       in the off season.
       #Post#: 482077--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: brjones
       Date: November 6, 2023, 2:12 pm
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       At the very least, the offseason is much less predictable now.
       Before today, I would've considered firing David Ross to be as
       unlikely as signing Ohtani. So I think anything could be on the
       table now.
       #Post#: 482078--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: CurtOne
       Date: November 6, 2023, 2:15 pm
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       Any indication that this was purely Hoyer's decision or from
       higher up?  If higher up, Hoyer better not feel too secure.
       #Post#: 482079--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: Reb
       Date: November 6, 2023, 2:17 pm
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       Hiring Counsel is not just a Go-For-It-All-in-2024 deal. It’s a
       for the duration of the contract deal.
       So, the pitch to Counsel surely was Cubs will be good for the
       duration—look at the farm system, the major league players here
       locked up for a few more seasons, intent to add-on for 2024,
       etc. A bunch of stuff for his consideration.
       And, oh yeah, the money.
       #Post#: 482080--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: Reb
       Date: November 6, 2023, 2:18 pm
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       MLBTR:
       Cardinals Claim Jared Young From Cubs.
       #Post#: 482081--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: Dave23
       Date: November 6, 2023, 2:20 pm
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  HTML https://x.com/adammccalvy/status/1051191498597912587?s=61&t=jK5QHHCvDmcUYopR6prllg
       #Post#: 482082--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: davep
       Date: November 6, 2023, 2:22 pm
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       --- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
       >
       > I think the thinking is that if the Cubs are paying their
       manager $8 million, they aren't going to be rolling out a
       .500ish level team and significant additions could be expected
       in the off season.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You may be right.  But this move, although unexpected, is not a
       repudiation of their policies up til now.  Although the salary
       is amazingly high for a manager, it is quite low compared to the
       cost of free agent players.  What kind of pitcher can they get
       for 10 million per year?  Another Smiley?  Another Miley?  And
       the contract is only 4 years in length, in keeping with their
       avoidance of long term contracts.
       Previous to this deal, I expected the Cubs to make an attempt to
       sign or trade for a top pitcher, perhaps a mid level pitcher to
       replace Stroman, and a mid level position player.  I don't think
       this changes that outlook, since the luxury tax and roster needs
       are unchanged.  I will be extremely surprised if the Cubs go
       over the luxury tax this year, especially for the acquisition of
       a long term monster contract.
       #Post#: 482084--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Cubs in ‘24
   DIR By: Playtwo
       Date: November 6, 2023, 2:23 pm
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       Is it possible that Hoyer is underappreciated?
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