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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: CurtOne Date: July 9, 2023, 10:09 pm
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[quote author=Deeg link=topic=624.msg476075#msg476075
date=1688955215]
Who and what are you arguing with, exactly?
[/quote]dpol has several personalities. Could be any of them.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: CurtOne Date: July 9, 2023, 10:15 pm
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The MLB host committee had some interesting discussions today on
various team philosophies in how they handled the draft. Some
are well know: some like high schoolers, some prefer college
players, some prefer pitchers, some position players (hitters).
They seemed to see those that look for immediate help to fill a
slot at the major league level, while others take players they
can develop and then trade to fill the holes in their team.
These last philosophy, used by Miami, Tampa Bay, the Dodgers and
Houston, seem to be the most successful. The reverse, not so
much.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: Dave23 Date: July 9, 2023, 10:44 pm
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At #68, Cubs take Jaxon Wiggins, a 6’6” RHP from U of
Arkansas…had TJS and missed this past season.
FB 94-97, touches 99, slider and change…#103 prospect at
mlb.com…
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: Reb Date: July 9, 2023, 10:46 pm
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BA on Jax Wiggins:
Age At Draft: 21.8
BA Grade:50/Extreme
Tools:Fastball: 60. Slider: 55. Curveball: 45. Changeup: 50.
Control: 35.
Wiggins was a projectable prep pitcher with a big frame, solid
fastball and advanced feel for a changeup, but took a few steps
forward in the first two seasons of his collegiate career at
Arkansas. After sitting in the low 90s in high school, Wiggins
sat in the 94-96 mph range in 2021 and touched triple-digits. He
posted a 5.09 ERA over 23 innings with 28 strikeouts (11.0 K/9)
and 14 walks (5.5 BB/9) during his freshman campaign, mostly out
of the bullpen. Moving into a full-time starting role in 2022,
Wiggins continued to show loud stuff and erratic control, with
82 strikeouts and 43 walks in 66 innings. He wasn’t able to
continue his development in 2023, as a Tommy John surgery before
the season kept him off the field and will make him a
complicated prospect for teams to evaluate given his impressive
stuff and frame, and spotty track record of strikes. When
healthy, Wiggins threw a fastball that sat 94-95 mph and touched
97 in a starting role, with impressive vertical break and
extension to go with it thanks to his 6-foot-6, 225-pound frame.
While he has mostly pitched off that fastball, he also mixes in
a mid-80s slider that is still developing, a changeup in the
upper 80s with solid tumble and an infrequently thrown 12-to-6
curveball
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: Boris From Downunder Date: July 9, 2023, 11:01 pm
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Sounds like Rick Vaughn!
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: CurtOne Date: July 9, 2023, 11:04 pm
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[quote author=Boris From Downunder
link=topic=624.msg476086#msg476086 date=1688961667]
Sounds like Rick Vaughn!
[/quote]California Penal!
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: CUBluejays Date: July 9, 2023, 11:11 pm
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Maybe he saves some money to get something better later on.
If you look at the Cubs and compare them to the Pirates and Reds
does anybody really think the talent gap is getting smaller?
When I say winning I mean winning a World Series and frankly
seeing how this team catches the Pirates or Reds to win the
division in the future is sad.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: CurtOne Date: July 9, 2023, 11:13 pm
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Actually, I think he's done well so far, and I'm not a fan of
Hoyer's. Money may not be the issue; he may honestly feel he's
stolen a couple tonight.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: Reb Date: July 10, 2023, 12:56 am
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=624.msg476088#msg476088
date=1688962264]
……When I say winning I mean winning a World Series and frankly
seeing how this team catches the Pirates or Reds to win the
division in the future is sad.
[/quote]
Winning a World Series, you mean like the 88-win Braves winning
the WS in 2021 or maybe the 87-win Phillies coming a couple
short in 2023 or maybe the 88-win Cardinals winning the WS in
2014 or maybe the 90-win Mets getting to WS in 2015 or maybe the
90-win Cardinals winning the WS in 2011 or maybe the 83-win (!!)
Cardinals winning the WS in 2006 or maybe the 91-win Marlins
winning the WS in 2003 or maybe the 87-win Yankees winning the
WS in 2000??
Get to the playoffs and everybody has a shot. That’s Baseball.
Just have to be a club that jells at the right time and get some
serious luck here and there.
You mention Reds and Pirates. In 2021, BA ranked Reds farm
system at #18 and Pirates at #15 and in 2022 BOTH the Reds and
Pirates lost 100 games. That’s LAST YEAR.
Now, you say, Oh My Goodness, how are the Cubs going to catch or
compete with the Reds and Pirates in the future?
You think you see the future. You don’t. You just think you do.
Better to look at baseball history——recent history, intermediate
history, long ago history. Things change, just like the vaunted
Reds and Pirates from eons and eons of two whole years ago.
Saw on the draft broadcast that Kiley McDaniel now ranks Cubs
farm system at #6. Think Callis said on Marquee a week ago Cubs
system in top 10 somewhere.
Don’t get this pessimism going forward. Maybe there’s some kind
of offbeat comfort in that, but let’s just let the future play
out knowing that we don’t know and there are some good signs
going forward.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: Reb Date: July 10, 2023, 1:43 am
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[quote author=Deeg link=topic=624.msg476080#msg476080
date=1688957071]
Law 7, MLP Pipeline 16, BA 17, Prospects Live 23. Consensus
somewhere around mid-teens. A slot-appropriate pick, not a
reach or a guy who fell, who’ll likely sign for about slot
money. In other words perfectly reasonable and about what you’d
expect picking 13th.
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Kiley McDaniel/ESPN had Shaw at #10.
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