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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: craig Date: July 12, 2023, 5:54 pm
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Reb, I listened to that Billy Swope interview that you linked.
That was really fun, seems like a neat guy.
-I hadn't remembered that his son also scouts for the Cubs, or
that his wife worked, (I think he said taught?) at Old Dominion.
-But yeah, I'd never heard a scouting interview like that,
really interesting.
-I suspect he's got a kinda nice scouting assignment, with so
many schools in that area. Not the same kind of travel
requirements as a scout covering Kansas-Missouri-Oklahoma.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: craig Date: July 12, 2023, 6:00 pm
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A trivia note from the Swope interview was that he mentioned
scouting Kyle Teel, the guy taken immediately following Shaw and
rated ahead of Shaw in some media rankings. So both of those
guys were in his region, and the same cross-checker area as
well. So he and the crosschecker certainly had good opportunity
to give input on which they liked/preferred. No idea whether it
was a tossup for Kantro, or if Teel had a higher price-tag, or
whether there was a positional preference, or what. But that
would be an interesting scouting thing if the boss is choosing
between two guys both within your region, and you end up
advocating for one that busts. Hopefully Shaw will excel and
Swope will never have anything to regret.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: craig Date: July 12, 2023, 6:08 pm
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Kantro might shift his strategy every year, depending on
specific players and different draft budget that's never the
same.
-But over the past two years, he's never done more than a single
overslot on Day 3 picks.
-So I imagine with Hope signing, probably the rest of Day 3 are
looking at $125 slot.
-Previous two drafts, he hasn't gone over $210 for a 3rd-day
guy.
I kinda think Hope might be worth more than that and get more
than that. Obviously each year is different. Last year Ferris
was a huge overslot, and Mule pretty big too. Not sure Rosario
is going to command anything superslot like that. So it
wouldn't surprise me if Hope's is higher than any 3rd-day the
Cubs have had since the draft cap rules came into being.
But every year is unique. Maybe Hope was one thing, and
Flanagan, the USC sophomore LHP, will also get some overslot?
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: Deeg Date: July 12, 2023, 8:37 pm
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Teel would have been very out of character for this
administration. When was the last time the Cubs drafted an
overslot guy in the first round? That money is a lot to make
up.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: CUBluejays Date: July 12, 2023, 9:22 pm
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Rumor is Teel is signing for slot. I think it has far more to
do with how the Cubs value catchers. They’ve made it clear the
value the defensive part more than offense. If Teel doesn’t
have the defense he wants, he just wouldn’t be valued the same
by the Cubs as he is on public lists.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: Deeg Date: July 12, 2023, 9:42 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=624.msg476217#msg476217
date=1689214969]
Rumor is Teel is signing for slot. I think it has far more to
do with how the Cubs value catchers. They’ve made it clear the
value the defensive part more than offense. If Teel doesn’t
have the defense he wants, he just wouldn’t be valued the same
by the Cubs as he is on public lists.
[/quote]
That would put them in the minority, since the scouting on
Teel’s defense is overall quite positive. Who knows what their
own people were telling them, though. And he did hit .276 last
season and struggled some in the Cape Cod League.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: CUBluejays Date: July 12, 2023, 9:47 pm
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Cubs also value Cape performance a lot. It is more than just
defense that the Cubs value. I have no clue if the Cubs are
right or wrong, but I think this is far more an evaluation vs
cost.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: Deeg Date: July 12, 2023, 10:02 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=624.msg476220#msg476220
date=1689216471]
Cubs also value Cape performance a lot. It is more than just
defense that the Cubs value. I have no clue if the Cubs are
right or wrong, but I think this is far more an evaluation vs
cost.
[/quote]
I think that’s probably right. But I still think they
philosophically avoid overslot guys in the first round (they
certainly had their chance last year). And I do think Teel will
sign for above slot, most likely.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: CurtOne Date: July 12, 2023, 10:35 pm
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[quote author=Ron link=topic=624.msg476173#msg476173
date=1689128957]
Wow. Sure hope he knows what he's doing. ;)
[/quote]Ron, you have no idea how ironic Reb's post is.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2023
By: craig Date: July 12, 2023, 11:08 pm
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[quote author=Deeg link=topic=624.msg476221#msg476221
date=1689217359]
I think that’s probably right. But I still think they
philosophically avoid overslot guys in the first round (they
certainly had their chance last year). And I do think Teel will
sign for above slot, most likely.
[/quote]
Will be interesting to see how actual bonuses for Shaw and Teel
compare. It's possible that even if Teel would have signed for
slot, that Shaw might hypothetically take a little under-slot?
An extra $100-400K can still give Kantro some flexibility later.
Obviously if Shaw signs for as much or more than Teel, we'll be
able to dismiss cost as the decision-maker.
Kantro made a comment about depth of college bats, and figuring
somebody they liked would make it to them.
I think the over/under slot thing is perhaps case-by-case.
Depends on the specific guy. *IF* you love one available guy
well above the others, super-slot makes sense. But if you have
2-3 guys at comparable value level, why not save a little and
give some $$ for later? *IF* you're passing on a guy you really
like better to save for later, I'm not sure that's wise. But
otherwise, it's kind of obvious to take the somewhat lesser
ticket.
Losing the 2nd round pick for Swanson was kind of a bummer. In
the past, 2nd round is where Kantro has gone serious overslot.
Not happening this year with Wiggins.
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