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#Post#: 42334--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: bitterman
Date: November 10, 2011, 1:03 pm
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Completely agree with BR. If and only if they take Soriano and
pay a huge chunk, you can't saddle this organization with that
size of a contract for Carl Crawford.
#Post#: 42336--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: craig
Date: November 10, 2011, 1:19 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
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> Craig - if it is within the budget, there is seldom any reason
to run something past the boss.
>
> But although I have not seen any firm numbers, it is my
understanding that the Cubs spent somewhat less than 10 million
dollars last year on signing domestic and international
prospects. My guess is that 50 million dollars for one player
would exceed whatever increase Ricketts has put into this year's
budget.
>
--- End Quote ---
Dave, if Theo thinks Crespedes is worth $50 mill, it wouldn't be
to play as a prospect for Peoria. If a guy is worth $50 million
at age 26 (if his listing is actually accurate), it's to play in
the majors. Theo's big-league budget should have room for a $50
player on it. With Silva, Grabow, Pena, and Aram all coming
off, Theo has some discretionary spending money. No idea
whether he thinks Crespedes is a good investment, and he may
want to spread it around rather than focus on one or two more
expensive guys. But if Crespedes is the guy Hoyer targets and
he costs only $50 (over multiple year), Hoyer will be able to
fit that in without needing to ask Ricketts to inflate the
budget.
#Post#: 42337--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: shasson
Date: November 10, 2011, 1:27 pm
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Oneri Fleita is Cuban-American, right? And would he be point
person for this type of international signing, or because this
guy would be on the MLB roster is this a Hoyer-led situation? No
idea if Fleita's ties to Cuba would have an impact good, bad or
indiffierent.
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Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: davep
Date: November 10, 2011, 3:27 pm
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Craig - all we have to go on now is pure rumor, but from what I
have been reading, he is expected to bet a signing bonus of
about 30 million or more, in addition to whatever salary he
would get. I would like to think that he could immediately move
into the starting rotation, like Fukudome did. Have there been
many Cuban refugees that were able to do that without any minor
league experience at all. I have no idea, but none come
immediately to mind.
#Post#: 42372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: November 10, 2011, 5:36 pm
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Sometimes it is interesting just to compare the
spirit/tone/mindset of different posts, not so much the exact
statements of fact in them, but just to look at the different
beliefs implicit in them.
--- Quote from: Cubsin link ---
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> I have no idea whether Cespedes is a potential superstar or a
huge waste of money, but I do trust the Theocracy to make a good
decision either way.
>
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--- Quote from: Cubsin link ---
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> Theo, Jed, Justin and the rest of the front office will make a
state-of-the-art evaluation of Cespedes and tell Ricketts what
they think he's worth.... they will spend the time and
resources to do the evaluation properly.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: ben link ---
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> include me in the group that has faith in Cub leaders to make
a smart, well-informed decision.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: ben link ---
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> This article contends smart guys like Theo/Jed are good for
baseball.
>
HTML http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/11/5/2538326/the-smartest-guys-in-the-room
>
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--- Quote from: Ron link ---
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> I think my favorite is whomever Epstein & Hoyer pick....
>
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Cubsin seems to be deep in Theo worship, even deeper that Ben,
and Ron is willing to deffer to the wisdom of the Theocracy,
pretty much whatever the decision might be.
Others..... have started to lay down some markers, on things
that Epstein really should not do, and indicating the would not
defer to his judgement on those issues, but instead blast him
over them.
--- Quote from: brjones link ---
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> Crawford has always been very overrated, I'd have no interest
unless the Red Sox took Soriano and paid a lot of the money from
2015-2017.
>
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--- Quote from: bitterman link ---
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> Completely agree with BR. If and only if they take Soriano
and pay a huge chunk, you can't saddle this organization with
that size of a contract for Carl Crawford.
>
--- End Quote ---
It will be interesting to watch the attitude toward the
Theocracy evolve.
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Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: Cubsin
Date: November 10, 2011, 5:53 pm
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Jes, I'm not into "Theo worship" as you suggest. Over time, the
best organizations are right perhaps 60% of the time, and the
worst are right 50% of the time.
But I do think that Theo and his team are bright, hard-working
and statistically savvy consensus builders who are much better
at evaluating talent than me, you or most of the other
management teams in baseball.
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Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: November 10, 2011, 6:08 pm
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Cubsin, it would be interesting to pick the over/under on when
you will change that opinion.
I am hoping that it never does.... But I would bet that it does
before the end of the 2012 season.
Oh, and the worst run organizations are not right anything CLOSE
to 50% of the time.
#Post#: 42419--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: StrikeZone
Date: November 10, 2011, 10:34 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> Craig - all we have to go on now is pure rumor, but from what
I have been reading, he is expected to bet a signing bonus of
about 30 million or more, in addition to whatever salary he
would get. I would like to think that he could immediately move
into the starting rotation, like Fukudome did. Have there been
many Cuban refugees that were able to do that without any minor
league experience at all. I have no idea, but none come
immediately to mind.
>
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Actually, the rumors on Yoenis Cespedes' contract demands have
him requesting Aroldis Chapman money, which was about $30
million over six years, with half of that being his signing
bonus, spread over however long it was.
I haven't seen anyone believe that he is going to get that much.
I have seen a couple of articles/tweets/TV mentions that have
suggested that he might start the year in AAA and move quickly
to the Majors unless he signs with a team that is especially
thin in the outfield.
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Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: davep
Date: November 10, 2011, 11:01 pm
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That answers the question, then. If the cost of signing is 5
million per year, I doubt that they would have to clear it with
Ricketts.
#Post#: 42424--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 10, 2011, 11:24 pm
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Another interesting CF
HTML http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-japanese-center-fielder-added-to-free-agent-pool-20111110,0,1293446.story<br
/>just entered the market.
I actually saw Aoki play at Meiji Jingu Stadium with Tuffy a
couple of years ago. He's very much as advertised - a terrific
defensive CF with great speed and decent LH power who draws a
few walks. He had an off year this year - ironic, as the
normally awful Swallows won the Japanese title - but I don't
know if there were injury issues. I'm sure Tuffy would know.
He's 29, and meets Theo's metric for guys in their prime, though
there's always concern about how well Japanese hitters make the
transition.
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