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#Post#: 42246--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: November 10, 2011, 7:59 am
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
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> Then you must have missed the post I made a couple of days
ago, making the same point.
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Not at all, Dave, but many here need to be reminded of it. At
least daily.
The post immediately after yours above, Cubsin refers to the
Theocracy making "a state-of-the-art evaluation of Cespedes and
tell Ricketts what they think he's worth."
"State-of-the-art"?
Folks here truly seem convinced that the Theocracy is a
divinity. And in the next post, Jeff, JEFF mind you, actually
tries to elevated them above what Cubsin did, insisting that
given the glow-in-the-dark brilliance of the collective
Theocracy, the "baseball operations leadership" of the Cubs
would be deciding all on their lonesome and without any need for
ownership approval whether to make a contract offer in the tens
of millions of dollars to Cespedes.
I did not miss your point, and it is one both of us have made
multiple times. It does, however, appear that many others have.
#Post#: 42247--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: JeffH
Date: November 10, 2011, 8:04 am
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Jes, it's been stated publicly that Epstein will have a budget
that he and his team can spend as they see fit.
Why would they need ownership approval?
For that matter, I assume (but do not know for certain) that it
was the same way with Hendry and previous ownership.
#Post#: 42250--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: November 10, 2011, 8:15 am
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Cespedes would not involve a one year budget commitment. Even
if Ricketts has told Epstein he did not need to run FA signings
by him, it is hard to believe that for a multi-year, high-dollar
signing such as Cespedes will involved, that within a month of
becoming taking the job Epstein would be so foolish as to decide
to meaningfully bid without discussing things with Ricketts.
And if Epstein did enter into such bidding without discussing
things with Ricketts, there are a lot of folks who need to
re-evaluate how often Ricketts actually is the smartest guy in
the room.
#Post#: 42289--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: davep
Date: November 10, 2011, 11:00 am
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If they decide to make a 50 million dollar offer, I would be
surprised if they didn't run it past Ricketts first, just out of
courtesy if nothing else.
It is the kind of thing the boss should be aware of, but should
almost never interfere with.
#Post#: 42302--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: craig
Date: November 10, 2011, 11:28 am
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
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> If they decide to make a 50 million dollar offer, I would be
surprised if they didn't run it past Ricketts first, just out of
courtesy if nothing else.
>
> It is the kind of thing the boss should be aware of, but
should almost never interfere with.
>
--- End Quote ---
Just as a token courtesy, sure. At my institution, if a
department needs to hire somebody, they decide who they want to
hire, make the choice, and a higher-up actually needs to check
it off and make an offer official. But it's a 100% formality.
I completely agree with Jeff. Ricketts hired new management, he
has obviously felt a shared general vision for how to attack,
he's entrusted Theo with budget, and and he's going to let the
new guys decide how to implement and spend that budget.
I suspect management needs to appeal to owner only in the case
where they'll need to go beyond standard budget. I think Hendry
got special permission to exceed his allocated budget in order
to sign Greg Maddux. I think Curt always felt that MacP should
have pursued/received special permission to extend beyond the
budget in order to sign Pudge Rodriguez back in 01 or 02 or
whenever that was. Otherwise, I think management just works
within it's budget and does whatever it judges best, lets the
owner know, and perhaps has it's moves rubber-stamped.
#Post#: 42305--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 10, 2011, 11:43 am
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"Curt always felt that MacP should have pursued/received special
permission to extend beyond the budget in order to sign Pudge
Rodriguez back in 01 or 02 or whenever that was. "
Yep. 2003. In hindsight, that might have been the difference
maker. At least he wouldn't have been on the Marlins to kill
us.
#Post#: 42317--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: davep
Date: November 10, 2011, 12:33 pm
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Craig - if it is within the budget, there is seldom any reason
to run something past the boss.
But although I have not seen any firm numbers, it is my
understanding that the Cubs spent somewhat less than 10 million
dollars last year on signing domestic and international
prospects. My guess is that 50 million dollars for one player
would exceed whatever increase Ricketts has put into this year's
budget.
#Post#: 42324--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: Cactus
Date: November 10, 2011, 12:44 pm
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--- Quote ---
>
> In a video for ESPN, Bowden predicts that Crawford will have a
“bounce-back” year in 2012, but predicts that it will come, in
part, with the Chicago Cubs.
>
> “I think by the July 31 trade deadline, the Red Sox and Cubs
will work out a deal to send Carl Crawford to the Cubs to play
left field at Wrigley Field,” Bowden says. “I don’t think
there’s any question Crawford will hit 20 homers, steal 40
bases, and play plus defense.”
>
> Bowden points out his belief that Red Sox owner John Henry
didn’t want to sign Crawford in the first place, and that
Epstein is still convinced Crawford will become the player he
was expected to be before signing that monster contract. Taken
together, Bowden concludes that Epstein will make a move before
July 31 to bring Crawford to the Cubs.
>
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>
> Hopefully, though, it’s a mistake that he’s learned from, and
doesn’t want to duplicate with the Cubs. That goes for new free
agent signings, and for re-acquiring Crawford, himself.
>
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#Post#: 42330--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: davep
Date: November 10, 2011, 12:53 pm
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If we could get Crawford at a decent salary, I wouldn't mind
having him play LF, with Soriano on the bench.
#Post#: 42331--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove 2011
DIR By: brjones
Date: November 10, 2011, 12:57 pm
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Crawford has always been very overrated, I'd have no interest
unless the Red Sox took Soriano and paid a lot of the money from
2015-2017.
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