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#Post#: 462187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: October 21, 2022, 10:25 pm
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--- Quote from: ticohans link ---
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> On CF, didn't realize LAD may just non-tender Bellinger.
>
> If that happens, given our holes at 1B and CF, he'd be right
at the top of my list. At worst you get really good CF defense
on a stopgap contract. And if he's able to stay healthy and
revert even partially to prior form...
>
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I knew you’d come around.
--- Quote from: craig link ---
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> Bellinger's slugging these last two years has been .389 and
.302.
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He’s broken or he wouldn’t be a non-tender candidate. It is a
pure upside play that your hitting infrastructure can fix him.
He had a .203 ISO against righties and a wRC+ 92 so he could be
a strong side platoon with good defense at worst. Let Morel
play in CF against lefties. If you fix Bellinger though that
would be a great move.
#Post#: 462188--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: October 21, 2022, 10:27 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
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> If the numbers of 75 million are anywhere near accurate, that
Senga should be the Cubs the Cubs #1 priority this off season.
> Also, I doubt that the Cubs would have traded Scott Effross if
they weren't pretty sure that he will be in their rotation next
year.
>
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The Cubs will need depth though. Who knows what Hendricks will
be next year. The more candidates, the better.
#Post#: 462189--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 21, 2022, 11:15 pm
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--- Quote from: ticohans link ---
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> On CF, didn't realize LAD may just non-tender Bellinger.
>
> If that happens, given our holes at 1B and CF, he'd be right
at the top of my list. At worst you get really good CF defense
on a stopgap contract. And if he's able to stay healthy and
revert even partially to prior form...
>
--- End Quote ---
I really want us to graduate beyond dumpster diving better
organizations' trash.
#Post#: 462190--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 21, 2022, 11:19 pm
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--- Quote from: ticohans link ---
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> On CF, didn't realize LAD may just non-tender Bellinger.
>
> If that happens, given our holes at 1B and CF, he'd be right
at the top of my list. At worst you get really good CF defense
on a stopgap contract. And if he's able to stay healthy and
revert even partially to prior form...
>
--- End Quote ---
His CF defense is not that great. Average or just above now,
and certainly not trending upwards. If you had confidence he'd
hit average D in center is great, but Bellinger hasn't been good
since 2019. He's never been the same since he hurt his
shoulder.
#Post#: 462191--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: October 22, 2022, 12:30 am
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OOA is a pretty great stat for outfielders. It takes into
account positioning, distance traveled, batted ball data.
Bellinger was 12th in CF OOA with 5. He has in the same group as
Bader, Harris, Rodriguez and Nimmo. Ortega was 40 and Morel
was 43.
He improves the team and he has some upside, even if it is
unlikely. If he wasn’t going to make $17 million in arbitration
the Dodgers would probably want to keep him. Trent Grisham, if
he gets DFA or is available in trade, would be another guy to go
after.
#Post#: 462192--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 22, 2022, 1:01 am
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The Padres aren't gonna DFA Grisham. They like him a lot even
with his offensive deficiencies, and his glove actually is legit
elite.
#Post#: 462193--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: ticohans
Date: October 22, 2022, 1:17 am
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> I really want us to graduate beyond dumpster diving better
organizations' trash.
>
--- End Quote ---
Deeg, context.
I'm talking about Bellinger as a last piece while proposing the
Cubs spend $90M to bag Correa, Senga, Abreu, etc.
A Bellinger acquisition would keep a little payroll cushion for
the trade deadline while getting some upside - however unlikely
- from the position.
#Post#: 462194--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 22, 2022, 1:34 am
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--- Quote from: ticohans link ---
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> Deeg, context.
>
> I'm talking about Bellinger as a last piece while proposing
the Cubs spend $90M to bag Correa, Senga, Abreu, etc. Fantastic
way to keep a little payroll cushion going into the trade
deadline while getting some upside, however unlikely, from the
position.
>
--- End Quote ---
I get context, Tico, but here's my context - do you trust the
Cubs to view Bellinger that way? It's like letting a 17
year-old take the car to a party after he swears he won't drink.
Sure, they have a license - but have they earned that trust?
My fear is the Cubs sign Abreu and trade (probably) for
Bellinger and say "See? These are big names! We're a big
club!" and call it a day. Context.
#Post#: 462195--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: ticohans
Date: October 22, 2022, 1:38 am
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Then direct your complaint to ownership, cause no one here is
thinking that way.
#Post#: 462196--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 22, 2022, 1:39 am
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--- Quote from: ticohans link ---
>
> Then direct your complaint to ownership, cause no one here is
thinking that way.
>
--- End Quote ---
No one here is the one actually making the decisions, either.
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