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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Ron
Date: November 20, 2022, 3:51 pm
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Cubs make a waiver claim.
HTML https://www.marqueesportsnetwork.com/cubs-add-a-local-product-in-waiver-claim/
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: November 20, 2022, 5:20 pm
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
>
> Dave, reference to Bellinger at $20 was hyperbole, not meant
literally. Under the perspective that the Cubs have plenty of
money and could pay Bellinger $20, who cares about the cash.
Nobody is going to pay Bellinger $20M for this season. Whatever
he gets will not be prohibitive; whether he's able to justify
whatever he gets is a kind of blind guess.
>
> He'll need to make a big step forward to make himself into a
Patrick-Wisdom level player offensively. Some people think he
might do that, but who knows? And some people think he might
improve **much** more than that. Who knows? But for those who
think he might possibly hypothetically have those kinds of
improvements, he's a LIAB candidate.
>
--- End Quote ---
I realize that the 20 million figure was a hyperbole. But the
problem with discussions on this board and elsewhere is that the
money portion of the situation is ignored when making
suggestions. Should the Cubs sign him at 20 million for one
year? Certainly, they have enough money in their budget to do
so, but that doesn't mean that it would be reasonable to expect
it. The perspective of "who cares about the cash" is not real
life. Whether we like it or not, baseball is a business, and
money is a part of business. If a team values player X at 7
million per year, they would be foolish to pay 15 million for
him, even though there is room in the budget.
It is rather like comments that say "we should trade for player
X in return for prospects. How can that statement be responded
to without knowing what prospects would be involved. You can
only respond to a suggested negotiation without giving
perameters of both give and take.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: November 20, 2022, 5:49 pm
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Banon seems to be a good pickup. I don't know about his
defense, but other than one season which may have been injury
related, he has hit quite well in the minors, with reasonable
power.
I still hope they sign Candelario to play third base, at least
part time.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: guest405
Date: November 20, 2022, 6:00 pm
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With some of the dog shit we've trotted out recently the
possibility of signing Cody Bellinger no matter how much he's
fallen off feels like we're signing Ted Williams.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 21, 2022, 5:00 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> You can't just say "the Cubs don't seem interested" and leave
that lying there like a dead skunk in the middle of the road.
They should be interested in Nimmo.
>
>
> I'd certainly see if you could get somebody like Fletcher for
Wisdom and a B prospect, then sign Candelario for 3B. No,
Fletcher isn's a sure thing either by any means, but I think
he's likely to outproduce Bellinger or (Goc help us) Keirmaier.
>
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Just saying the Cubs should sign a bunch of high priced free
agents to multi-year deals isn’t really a bright roster
construction plan either. The Cubs shouldn’t be investing a lot
of money in CF when they have multiple really good prospects and
already have potentially 2 expensive OF. If Nimmo was a star
player then it might make more sense.
So the D-backs are going to give up a prospect that will put up
over 2 WAR for Wisdom and a B prospect? I too would love to
give nothing for good players. The Cubs should definitely do
more of those trades.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 21, 2022, 5:47 pm
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Your certainty about what an untried prospect not in any D-Backs
top 10 lists will do is admirable. Why aren’t you a GM
somewhere?
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 21, 2022, 6:38 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
>
> Just saying the Cubs should sign a bunch of high priced free
agents to multi-year deals isn’t really a bright roster
construction plan either. The Cubs shouldn’t be investing a lot
of money in CF when they have multiple really good prospects and
already have potentially 2 expensive OF. If Nimmo was a star
player then it might make more sense.
>
> So the D-backs are going to give up a prospect that will put
up over 2 WAR for Wisdom and a B prospect? I too would love to
give nothing for good players. The Cubs should definitely do
more of those trades.
>
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The fact that we have some CF candidates in the wind makes
Bellinger a better pick than Nimmo. Bellinger can also play AS
level firstbase.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 21, 2022, 6:48 pm
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--- Quote from: CurtOne link ---
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> The fact that we have some CF candidates in the wind makes
Bellinger a better pick than Nimmo. Bellinger can also play AS
level firstbase.
>
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Too many good LH hitters with defense versatility sounds like a
nice problem to have.
Nimmo can easily slide to a corner if the Crowening actually
happens. And Crow is really the only legit good CF prospect we
have - Davis and Canario are ideally corners. I like all of
those guys a lot (especially PCA) but prospects are prospects -
none of them are sure things, and none of ours are truly elite,
top-20 in baseball types. A big-market team should not be
shying away from a guy like Nimmo because they have a few pretty
good prospects a year or two away.
The original prompt for this anyway was that the Cubs should at
least be in play for Nimmo, not that there’s any guarantee you’d
get him or that you shouldn’t have a Plan B.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 21, 2022, 9:29 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
>
> Too many good LH hitters with defense versatility sounds like
a nice problem to have.
>
> Nimmo can easily slide to a corner if the Crowening actually
happens. And Crow is really the only legit good CF prospect we
have - Davis and Canario are ideally corners. I like all of
those guys a lot (especially PCA) but prospects are prospects -
none of them are sure things, and none of ours are truly elite,
top-20 in baseball types. A big-market team should not be
shying away from a guy like Nimmo because they have a few pretty
good prospects a year or two away.
>
> The original prompt for this anyway was that the Cubs should
at least be in play for Nimmo, not that there’s any guarantee
you’d get him or that you shouldn’t have a Plan B.
>
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You already have Happ and Suzuki on the corners. What happens
to them? The Cubs acting like a big market team would be great.
That doesn't mean they have to just go and every expensive free
agent. Nimmo is going to be 30 next year and will likely be
declining when the Cubs will be at their best.
--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
>
> Your certainty about what an untried prospect not in any
D-Backs top 10 lists will do is admirable. Why aren’t you a GM
somewhere?
>
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You are the one saying you thought Fletcher would outpace
Bellinger by a lot next year and Bellinger was worth 1.7 fWAR
last year. So if I'm going to follow your logic why are the
D-Backs trading him for guy you can replace with non-tender and
a B prospect?
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 21, 2022, 9:59 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
>
> You already have Happ and Suzuki on the corners. What happens
to them? The Cubs acting like a big market team would be great.
That doesn't mean they have to just go and every expensive free
agent. Nimmo is going to be 30 next year and will likely be
declining when the Cubs will be at their best.
>
> You are the one saying you thought Fletcher would outpace
Bellinger by a lot next year and Bellinger was worth 1.7 fWAR
last year. So if I'm going to follow your logic why are the
D-Backs trading him for guy you can replace with non-tender and
a B prospect?
>
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Except I never said Fletcher would “outprorudce Bellinger by a
lot”, but don’t let that stop you. I do think there’s a good
chance he outproduces Bellinger and I said so, but that’s mainly
because even if he doesn’t hit the glove seems to be legit - and
there’s a better chance he hits at league average than Bellinger
at this point.
Bellinger isn’t going to give you any kind of a club option
beyond one season - someone will give him a one-year deal, which
is what he wants. Either he’s going to suck yet again (most
likely) or he’s going to miraculously revert to some version of
his earlier self and sign a big contract with somebody else.
With Fletcher (just as an example) if he does hit, you’ve got
him under team control for multiple seasons. The D-Backs have a
bunch of LF outfielders they aren’t going to use - they’ve got
to trade a couple of them. They reportedly want RH power. Why
not pursue it?
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