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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: November 18, 2022, 7:46 pm
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> Here are the ten that I would cut first, generally in that
order, unless the Cubs had information not available to the
public, such as the reason why Vizcaino never showed up.
>
> Heyward
> Quiroz
> Reyes
> Bote
> Espinoza
> Mills
> Young
> Brault
> Rivas
> McKinstry
> Vizcaino
>
>
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Didn't miss by too much.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: November 18, 2022, 7:58 pm
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$1.9 for Sampson. $1.55 for Wick.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: November 19, 2022, 11:11 am
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De-rostering Ortega is interesting. Not surprising, and I think
most of the board wanted that.
But I'd like to appreciate him, a little? I know the board is
heavily prioritized on defense, for good reasons, and maybe my
interest in offense is unsophisticated and kind of
5th-grader-like. But for a team that really struggled to score
runs, and get anybody on base, Ortega wasn't really that bad on
the anti-awful spectrum offensively?
1. Over his two years with the Cubs, his OPS was .753. Only 3
teams in baseball had team-OPS higher than that. I would love
to get a .750-OPS center fielder this season! His combined OPS+
was 105. I'd love to get that this year. And an OPS+ of 95
isn't desirable, but there are lots of players who post seasons
WAY worse than that (Bellinger being one.)
2. Even Ortega's .688-OPS this season, unwelcome as it seems, a
team might end up doing worse. 10 teams had team-OPS of .689 or
worse.
Or, consider OBP. The Cubs really struggled to get any
baserunners this season. Ortega was .360 and .331 OBP these two
seasons for the Cubs.
1. Over his two years with Cubs, his OBP was .345. No team in
baseball had a team-OBP anywhere close.
2. Even his .331 OBP this season, only two teams beat that, and
those by only 1 and 2 points.
Consider the auto-out profile or Ortega versus some other
familiar names: Ortega .360/.331 vs:
1. Bellinger .240/.265.
2. Jarred Kelenic .265/.221.
3. Javier Baez .238/.292/.278 (I cheated here, and left out his
hot streak with Mets. With Mets fire added in, 2021 jumps from
.292 to .311)
4. Patrick Wisdom. .305/.298
5. Hermosillo .237/.250
6. Jason Heyward .280/.272
7. Madrigal .305, with .282 slugging.
I'm not at all suggesting that Ortega should have been our
intended starter. Nor that the Cubs should assume the worst
versions of guys who have struggled recently will be their
future. Obviously interest in Bellinger assumes his OPS+ will
improve beyond his recent 44/78; maybe he'll blossom into
Patrick Wisdom-level hitting? Obviously interest in Kelenic
assumes Kelenic has a chance to be better than the .240/.265-OBP
guy that he's been.
But I'm just kinda thinking that while we can take shots with
other guys and hope they improve dramatically, we need to do so
realizing it's possible that many big-league hitters do a lot
worse than Ortega, especially in the auto-out category. There's
a non-trivial chance that whomever Hoyer replaces him with might
score a **lot** worse on the anti-awful scale than Rafael,
offense-wise.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 19, 2022, 11:44 am
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Deeg, most Cub GM's in the past 25 years have loved LIAB's. Of
all the LIAB's out there, Bellinger is the most appealing to me.
One LIAB, one major league trade, one top FA acquisition.
Bring up a couple of kids, and let's go.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 19, 2022, 11:51 am
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Candelario would be really interesting. He could platoon at 1B
with Mervis and 3B with Wisdom. He was better against righties
in 2021.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 19, 2022, 11:52 am
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He was first a Cub, right?
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 19, 2022, 11:56 am
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Yes. Traded for Wilson and Avilla.
It sure sounds like the options in CF are Bellinger or
Keirmeyer. 100% Bellinger if that is the case.
Sharma said Bassett, Senga and Walker are rotation options. If
Senga isn’t in play I’d go Walker over Bassett.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 19, 2022, 11:57 am
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
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> Yes. Traded for Wilson and Avilla.
>
> It sure sounds like the options in CF are Bellinger or
Keirmeyer. 100% Bellinger if that is the case.
>
> Sharma said Bassett, Senga and Walker are rotation options. If
Senga isn’t in play I’d go Walker over Bassett.
>
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There seem to be a lot of teams coveting Nimmo.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: November 19, 2022, 11:59 am
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Yep, traded by the Cubs in 2017.
I wouldn't be upset if the signed him for a short term deal.
Switch hitter that can play third and first, with a little
power. He was a fairly good defensive third baseman in the
minors, but I have not followed him since he went to Detroit.
He seems offensively to have either rather good years or rather
bad years. I don't know if his bad years have been injury
related or not.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Reb
Date: November 19, 2022, 12:15 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
>
> Candelario would be really interesting. He could platoon at 1B
with Mervis and 3B with Wisdom. He was better against righties
in 2021.
>
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Yeah, could see that. Makes sense.
In 20/21 combined, Candelario had 600 PAs from left side with
.800 OPS. So, that works.
Tigers were looking at a probable $7 arb salary for him in 2023
after a dismal 2022, so can see why a non-tender. Could be an
opportunity if Abreu or Bell doesn’t happen.
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