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#Post#: 463523--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: method
Date: November 17, 2022, 7:34 am
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Kelenic made several late season changes.
"
“He’s really taken a lot of the extra movements out of his
swing,” Servais said. “We’ve often talked about the best hitters
in our game, the consistent ones over time, their movements are
very small, they’re very consistent. The guys with the big leg
kicks and all this other stuff — sometimes those are the
streakiest guys, because they have so much movement, so much
timing involved, and they get out of whack a little bit.
“But I like where Jarred’s at right now. He’s done exactly what
we hoped he could do with Julio going down. I don’t think he’s
trying to do too much. I think that’s the key.”
Teammates and coaches describe him now as calmer and more
relaxed. It’s a small sample size, sure, but Kelenic’s
production over the past week is an important affirmation of his
improved approach.
In seven games since Sept. 22, he has eight hits in 27 at-bats,
with three homers, three doubles, three walks and six
strikeouts, posting a .296 batting average and a 1.107 OPS."
Happ for Kelenic and one of their upside High A arms is a great
deal.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 17, 2022, 7:47 am
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I’m highly skeptical the Cubs will spend enough to truly compete
next season. But if for the sake of argument you say that’s the
plan, how can you trade Happ (which I’ve seen suggested as a
possibility by multiple sources) when you’re so comically short
of lefty bats? It really doesn’t make a lot of sense.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: November 17, 2022, 7:51 am
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Would you give Verlander the Scherzer contract ($130/3) for his
age 40-42 seasons? Discuss.
#Post#: 463528--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: November 17, 2022, 8:06 am
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I don't think Happ is going anywhere. Hoyer loves him, I think?
I think he sees both good defense, good hitting, and
leadership/character/clubhouse qualities that Theo often thought
were lacking in the previous group. Think Hoyer sees Happ and
Hoerner as good chemists.
Would be unexpected for Hoyer to dump both of his 2022 all-stars
just as he says we're getting ready to content again? Don't
think he's going to trade Happ for Kelenik.
I suspect Hoyer sees Happ as a guy he might overpay for? Happ
isn't an MVP superstar, who's going to expect mongo offers on
the market; I think he might be a little better situated to be
signable, and the risks won't be as high in signing him as with
Arrieta or Bryant or Baez. It's also possible that Happ might
like his "leader" status with the Cubs, like the positive
clubhouse chemistry, and like the Cubs chances moving into the
future? So that maybe he'd kinda like to be part of something
moving up, after kinda being a part of something that was in
decline?
#Post#: 463529--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: method
Date: November 17, 2022, 8:23 am
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--- Quote from: JeffH link ---
>
> Would you give Verlander the Scherzer contract ($130/3) for
his age 40-42 seasons? Discuss.
>
--- End Quote ---
Way to risky IMO. way way to risky. maybe if we were on the
verge and needed that one last SP to get to a title.
#Post#: 463530--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: method
Date: November 17, 2022, 8:24 am
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
>
> I’m highly skeptical the Cubs will spend enough to truly
compete next season. But if for the sake of argument you say
that’s the plan, how can you trade Happ (which I’ve seen
suggested as a possibility by multiple sources) when you’re so
comically short of lefty bats? It really doesn’t make a lot of
sense.
>
--- End Quote ---
Kelenic plays the same position, and is also a Lefty.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 17, 2022, 8:48 am
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
>
> I don't think Happ is going anywhere. Hoyer loves him, I
think? I think he sees both good defense, good hitting, and
leadership/character/clubhouse qualities that Theo often thought
were lacking in the previous group. Think Hoyer sees Happ and
Hoerner as good chemists.
>
> Would be unexpected for Hoyer to dump both of his 2022
all-stars just as he says we're getting ready to content again?
Don't think he's going to trade Happ for Kelenik.
>
>
> I suspect Hoyer sees Happ as a guy he might overpay for? Happ
isn't an MVP superstar, who's going to expect mongo offers on
the market; I think he might be a little better situated to be
signable, and the risks won't be as high in signing him as with
Arrieta or Bryant or Baez. It's also possible that Happ might
like his "leader" status with the Cubs, like the positive
clubhouse chemistry, and like the Cubs chances moving into the
future? So that maybe he'd kinda like to be part of something
moving up, after kinda being a part of something that was in
decline?
>
--- End Quote ---
If Hoyer wouldn’t overpay for Rizzo, Baez, Willson or Bryant why
would he overpay for Happ. If Happ will sign a team friendly
extension I think Hoyer would happily pay him. If he wants
market value I don’t think he is interested.
Until the young prospects start to hit Chicago compete is going
to mean being in the error bar range of the Cardinals. The Cubs
focus is going to be more 24/25 than 23. Happ may or may not be
part of that.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: November 17, 2022, 9:00 am
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What would you think it would take to sign Happ? And what do
you think would be overpaying him?
#Post#: 463535--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 17, 2022, 9:36 am
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--- Quote from: JeffH link ---
>
> Would you give Verlander the Scherzer contract ($130/3) for
his age 40-42 seasons? Discuss.
>
--- End Quote ---
2 years with an opt out and adjust AAV as needed.
--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> What would you think it would take to sign Happ? And what do
you think would be overpaying him?
>
--- End Quote ---
The Cubs are going to put in all of his stuff into their
computer system and it will spit out a value. The contract
would be less than that. My guess is that the Cubs would
probably want somewhere south of what Schwarber got.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 17, 2022, 3:44 pm
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
>
> I don't think Happ is going anywhere. Hoyer loves him, I
think? I think he sees both good defense, good hitting, and
leadership/character/clubhouse qualities that Theo often thought
were lacking in the previous group. Think Hoyer sees Happ and
Hoerner as good chemists.
>
> Would be unexpected for Hoyer to dump both of his 2022
all-stars just as he says we're getting ready to content again?
Don't think he's going to trade Happ for Kelenik.
>
>
> I suspect Hoyer sees Happ as a guy he might overpay for? Happ
isn't an MVP superstar, who's going to expect mongo offers on
the market; I think he might be a little better situated to be
signable, and the risks won't be as high in signing him as with
Arrieta or Bryant or Baez. It's also possible that Happ might
like his "leader" status with the Cubs, like the positive
clubhouse chemistry, and like the Cubs chances moving into the
future? So that maybe he'd kinda like to be part of something
moving up, after kinda being a part of something that was in
decline?
>
--- End Quote ---
What happens after the season (or at the deadline) with Happ is
a separate question. The progress and health of Davis, Canario,
and PCA has a lot to say about it, as does how much real
progress the club has made in the standings (and what kind of
year Happ has, of course). But now, as constructed? Trading
him makes no sense.
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