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#Post#: 463194--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: November 11, 2022, 8:51 pm
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I agree. The Cubs will sign at least one middle infielder this
winter, even if it isn't one of the top tier free agents, and
they also have Bote stashed in Iowa who can be an adequate fill
in when injury strikes. If there is someone that they want to
keep away from the draft, McKinstry is probably expendable.
I think the same applies to Rivas and Rucker. Both can be
useful pieces if kept, but can fairly easily be replaced if they
want to protect someone they like better.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Reb
Date: November 11, 2022, 9:54 pm
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My hunch is that McKinstry will stay on the 40 man.
A few things about him are interesting. He has hit at AAA. Has
not hit for average in majors but his iso is .176. His BA is
hurt by an unusually low .264 BABIP. He’s a solid defender at 2B
and 3B. And, of course he’s a lefty bat.
Does not have a ton of PAs in majors, so would not be so sure he
won’t hit enough to be a worthy role player, especially given
his AAA performance.
Guessing that he stays.
#Post#: 463197--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: November 11, 2022, 10:01 pm
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Agree with deeg and Dave. With Madrigal and Morel give two
backup infielders. Bote will hang out at Iowa, Strumpf will be
there, and Vasquez if you want a defensive guy. So even if
McKinstry elects to sign with somebody else after he's
hypothetically de-rostered, it won't change the Cubs future much
if they call up Bote or Strump instead of McKinstry, if some
need arises?
26-man spots later may not mean as much as 40-man spots now? So
if you want to give McKinstry a 26-man spot next April, the
60-day DL guys will provide some spots.
Probably a guy like Devers or Franklin or Jensen will never be
very good. But man, suppose Devers comes back with an extra
3mph next summer, and ends up giving some team other than the
Cubs 6 good seasons. It would kinda kill me to think we gave
him up because we thought the difference between McKinstry
versus Bote was worth the risk...
#Post#: 463206--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: November 12, 2022, 8:01 am
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The point that Devers is a more valuable asset than McKinstry is
fine and I agree.
But adding minor leaguers to the 40-man roster who have zero
chance to play in the majors during the upcoming season has a
downside. The totality of the "Iowa shuttle" plus any such
players cannot at any time exceed (14 minus the number of
players on a non-60-day IL).
All I'm saying is, when the Cubs don't roster Jensen, Devers,
and Franklin, it won't be because they value McKinstry and
Uelmen more.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: guest405
Date: November 12, 2022, 11:41 am
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Sources: #Cubs among most active teams in the shortstop market
during early days of free agency. They’ve been in touch with the
agents for Carlos Correa, Trea Turner, Xander Bogaerts, and
Dansby Swanson. @MLBNetwork @MLB--Morosi
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Reb
Date: November 12, 2022, 11:52 am
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Craig, I wonder if the decision whether to roster Devers,
Franklin et al is linked more to the pitchers on the
margin—Rucker, Leiter, Vizcaino, Uelmen—than to McKinstry. We’ll
see soon enough.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: November 12, 2022, 12:38 pm
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Jeff, if an options guy misses an entire season to injury, the
team doesn't get an extra option year, does it? Or yes they do?
Canario and Amaya come to my mind, and Brailyn too. All face
their final options year. Brailyn and Canario will presumably
miss most or all of their final options year. All three of
those guys would super benefit from developmental AB's and
innings. Cubs might be in a tough spot entering 2024,
particularly with Brailyn and Canario. Both might have
excellent ceilings and be significant contributors for 6
club-controlled years of Cub success; but could you put either
of those on the big-league roster in April 2024 if they don't
play until late August, or whatever? Very awkward.
This can be One of the tangental downside to rostering
higher-ceiling zero-ready guys way before they are big-league
ready. If injury then comes and costs them a hunk of their
options years, you may run out of options years before they can
develop (or re-develop), and before you can know if they're
big-league worthy or not.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: November 12, 2022, 12:41 pm
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Craig, Canario and Marquez will be optionable in 2024, according
to Arizona Phil.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: November 12, 2022, 5:00 pm
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Thanks, Jeff, great news! Phil knows the rules better than
Fangraphs, I'm sure. That helps a lot.
I'd just used the FanGraphs list.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 12, 2022, 8:16 pm
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This whole business about not wanting to do 7 and 8 year deals,
in addition to meaning you have no chance to sign one of the
elite FAs, doesn't even really make sense financially.
Say you're willing to go 5 or 6 years on Bogaerts, but not
willing to go 7-8 for Correa. You're paying them until the same
age, and the extra two years of Correa are in his prime. Why is
the Bogaerts deal better financially?
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