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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 9, 2022, 3:44 pm
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> Sharma with yet another Contreras article. Seems to support
the idea that Contreras for Urquidy had been thought to be a
deal and an offer, and nobody else was contending to outbid
that. Really strange situation.
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> Sharma repeats his thing: "It’s not simply about defense and
goes well beyond framing; catchers like Gomes get tremendously
positive feedback for their work with pitchers in between games
and their ability to prepare and game plan for the opponent...."
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> I still admit some mixed feelings on that. We've got a
manager and 14 coaches. I wonder what the pros and cons would
be of having a catcher who can hit, run, catch, and throw; who
works super hard and is a high energy guy; and hire three or
four game-planning coaches to game plan for opponents between
games?
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> Shama writes about what if Contreras accepted the qualifying
offer, which Shama considers strongly improbable: "Perhaps
Contreras would solely be used as a designated hitter and first
baseman. Maybe there’s a scenario where he’s the personal
catcher for one starter and two other catchers split the rest of
the time. Or perhaps it’s this past season’s role, splitting
time with Yan Gomes while using the DH to keep his legs fresh."
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> So he's so down on Contreras the game-planner that he's barely
willing to let him catch at all, so he views Willson having the
2nd-catcher-DH role is only the 3rd unlikeliest option of all.
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> I love most of Shama's work. But it seems to me his
Willson-is-liability-as-catcher take has been relatively
extreme? Is it possible that in all sincerity, he's maybe a
little bit off on this player? I wonder if he's truly mirroring
how the Cubs decision-makers view things? Or whether he's taken
some comments from one or two contacts within the organization
and perhaps exaggerated them? Perhaps even within the
organization there might be a wide range of views, and his
source may be on the edge of management views? Who knows. Or
maybe he's right on the spot, and rightly or wrongly this is
exactly how Ross and Hoyer and Carter perceive things.
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Not just the Cubs but how most of baseball seems to perceive
them too, based on the evidence.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 9, 2022, 3:47 pm
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> I hope that is true. I have had my fill of 7 and 8 year
contracts.
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Os as that actually means, "I have no interest in signing elite
free agents".
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: November 9, 2022, 3:57 pm
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NSBB's "Named After Maddux", Greg Zumach, founder of the
websites ivyfutures.com and northsidebound.com has an idea on
how to address CF.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: guest405
Date: November 9, 2022, 4:00 pm
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I wouldnt give Correa 8+.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: brjones
Date: November 9, 2022, 4:10 pm
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> Os as that actually means, "I have no interest in signing
elite free agents".
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Or possibly "Our owners have no interest in behaving like they
own one of the highest valued teams in professional sports."
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: November 9, 2022, 4:22 pm
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Some long-term contracts are really helpful. At least in
decades past. Michael Jordan signed a long-term deal; having
him locked in with the Bulls for years and years was helpful.
Ryne Sandberg signed a super long-term deal with the Cubs, and
he was good for most of it, and underpaid for most of it.
Having a good, asset player locked in for years, and having the
certainty of both the contract and the player, there can be
value in that.
It obviously helps if the player doesn't hit like a Heyward,
though. Not trusting your scouting makes it hard to make a
commitment, of course.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: November 9, 2022, 4:30 pm
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> NSBB's "Named After Maddux", Greg Zumach, founder of the
websites ivyfutures.com and northsidebound.com has an idea on
how to address CF.
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Jeff, how much do you think a guy like that would cost? In
terms of our pitching prospects, for a one-for-one trade, who
would you offer and how much would it take? Who says no?
*Alzolay. AZ says no?
*Wicks. Cubs and Jeff say no?
*Luis Devers?
*Kohl Franklin?
*Palencia?
*Porter Hodge?
#Post#: 463102--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: November 9, 2022, 4:46 pm
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Craig, I think in reality the Diamondbacks will want power
relievers, but your exercise is useful and I'll play.
If my scouts tell me that Fletcher projects substantially in
line with his minor league performance, I'd be happy offer a
pitcher in the Kilian, Herz, and Devers tier. Not Wicks for
sure.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 9, 2022, 4:49 pm
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> Or possibly "Our owners have no interest in behaving like they
own one of the highest valued teams in professional sports."
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It’s the same old song, and it should be pretty clear this is
where we were headed since “intelligent spending”. They’re
interested in appearing to have been finalists without actually
getting close to having to spend the money. But if you sign
guys like Kluber and Abreu you make the case to the fans that
you’re a big market team because hey, everyone has heard of
those guys, right?
They may surprise the world and actually sign an elite FA this
offseason, but there’s no reason to expect that based on past
history. They are who they have been until they prove they
aren’t.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: November 9, 2022, 5:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> Os as that actually means, "I have no interest in signing
elite free agents".
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No. It actually means that they have no interest in signing
elete free agents for 8 years.
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