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#Post#: 462285--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 24, 2022, 10:48 am
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--- Quote from: JeffH link ---
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> Craig, there are 26 pitchers currently on the 40-man, 60-day
IL, or restricted list. I usually figure 20 (+/-1) pitchers on
a fully flushed out 40-man roster.
>
> Two of those 26 are pending FAs (Miley and Smyly). That
leaves 24.
>
> 24 plus 4 spots for FAs (2 SP and 2 RP) plus a minimum of one
Rule 5 protect add (Ben Brown) equals 29. That means there will
need a minimum of nine casualties from the current slate.
>
> Brault, Espinoza, Marquez, Mills, Roberts, Rodriguez, Rucker,
Vizcaino, and Wieck?
>
> If they want to add any other Rule 5 protect candidates
(Correa, Devers, Jensen, Sanders), they'll have to start cutting
even more deeply (Uelmen?)
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks, Jeff. Good perspective. I'm not sure how to think it
through. But, given the actual talent in the system, I wonder
if the 20-20 might be at least 21/19 pitcher this year, or
perhaps even go 22/18?
*The system is awful for position depth.
*If you break with 13 position guys, I'm not sure I can find
five 40-man position players to option to the minors?
Of the current roster, I see Amaya, Canario, and Velasquez as
the only guys on the current 40-man roster with options
available that are worth sending to the minors as 40-man guys.
Davis, who else is going to be added to the 40-man and be a
minor-league 40-man guy?
"24 plus 4 spots for FAs (2 SP and 2 RP) plus a minimum of one
Rule 5 protect add (Ben Brown) equals 29. That means there will
need a minimum of nine casualties from the current slate.
Brault, Espinoza, Marquez, Mills, Roberts, Rodriguez, Rucker,
Vizcaino, and Wieck?"
That's a good 9-man guess. Couple thoughts:
1. If you keep 21, or even 22, that reduces your cut-list by
one or two names, correct?
2. Rodriguez: I'd keep, ahead of
3. Leiter, Wick, or Heuer. (I'd de-roster them in that order,
I think.).
#Post#: 462286--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: October 24, 2022, 11:06 am
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
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> Of the current roster, I see Amaya, Canario, and Velasquez as
the only guys on the current 40-man roster with options
available that are worth sending to the minors as 40-man guys.
Davis, who else is going to be added to the 40-man and be a
minor-league 40-man guy?
--- End Quote ---
Higgins, Bote, and Madrigal are all optionable.
There seems to be a consensus that Kevin Alcantara will be added
to the 40-man roster next month. Yonathan Perlaza and Darius
Hill are bubble guys. I do find it interesting that Hill played
a lot of CF after his promotion to Iowa after having played it
very little in the lower minors.
--- Quote from: craig link ---
> That's a good 9-man guess. Couple thoughts:
> 1. If you keep 21, or even 22, that reduces your cut-list by
one or two names, correct?
> 2. Rodriguez: I'd keep, ahead of
> 3. Leiter, Wick, or Heuer. (I'd de-roster them in that
order, I think.).
--- End Quote ---
Correct.
Even though he's eligible for arbitration and due a raise to
$1.5-ish, I'll be surprised if Wick gets derostered. Good Wick
is valuable, either on a contending team or as a trade asset.
I think they'd love to keep Leiter. It's just his
out-of-options status that complicates matters.
I think they'd like to roster Sanders (for example), even if
they have to risk losing Rodriguez to do it. He can't throw
strikes and he can't miss bats.
#Post#: 462291--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: ticohans
Date: October 24, 2022, 12:02 pm
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I'm fine with cutting ManRod from the 40 man. Yes, the velo is
nice, but it seems the FB is relatively hittable and the command
is terrible. Cubs have a lot of RP that are much more
interesting than Rodriguez at this point.
#Post#: 462292--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: October 24, 2022, 12:47 pm
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I think Bote can be outrighted to Iowa, and no one will pick him
up along with his contract. That leaves him in Iowa next
season, available for the 40 man roster if needed.
In addition, I think they can let Reyes, Rivas, Quiroz, Ortega
and even Young and/or Crook go, and replace some of them with
free agents with roster invites rather than 40 man roster slots.
Whatever they do, they are going to have to expose several
pitchers to the draft that they would probably not want to lose.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they were trying to work
out trades for Wick, Leiter and Sampson shortly after the season
ends.
#Post#: 462296--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 24, 2022, 1:44 pm
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--- Quote from: JeffH link ---
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> Higgins, Bote, and Madrigal are all optionable.
> ...Kevin Alcantara will be added to the 40-man roster next
month. Yonathan Perlaza and Darius Hill are bubble guys. ....
--- End Quote ---
Helpful info.
1. Higgins keep at Iowa.
2. Alcantara, yes.
3. Madrigal, keep him... but with the expectation that he'll be
a 25-man guy.
4. Perlaza, no. If you lose him, you lose him.
5. Hill: No? If you lose him, you lose him?
6. BOTE: No? What are the rules with his guaranteed contract?
($4-$5.5-$7-with-$1-buyout). If you deroster-reassign him,
does anybody who claims him need to take on his full contract?
(That isn't going to happen.) Assuming nobody claims him, is he
obligated to accept a reassignment to Iowa in order to keep the
guaranteed money? Or can he keep his full guarantee from the
Cubs but still be free to go sign with Louisville or Albuquerque
or Kansas City?
I'm thinking you can reassign him, but you'll still keep him.
If/when you do want to call him from Iowa and add him back to
the 25/40, by that time some 60-man space will have opened.
Oops, Dave just posted this. Are Dave and I wrong?
#Post#: 462297--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 24, 2022, 1:48 pm
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So, I've got:
1. Higgins, Amaya, Alcantara, Davis, Canario, and perhaps
Velasquez on the 40-man roster but in the minors. (No
infielders, for the moment, but Bote outrighted to Iowa.) 2.
That's either 5 or perhaps 6 rostered 40-man guys in the minors.
3. 13 position guys in the majors. So 18 or 19 roster guys on
the 40.
That leaves 21 or 22 pitchers.
#Post#: 462298--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: October 24, 2022, 1:53 pm
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No, you both are correct. Bote can be outrighted and will be
subject to a waiver claim which, you correctly assess, will not
happen. He can elect free agency if he wishes, but he will
forego his generous contract.
--- Quote from: craig link ---
>
> Assuming nobody claims him, is he obligated to accept a
reassignment to Iowa in order to keep the guaranteed money?
--- End Quote ---
Yes.
--- Quote from: craig link ---
>
> Or can he keep his full guarantee from the Cubs but still be
free to go sign with Louisville or Albuquerque or Kansas City?
--- End Quote ---
No.
#Post#: 462299--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: October 24, 2022, 1:54 pm
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If the Cubs know that Wick has an issue that needs time to heal
or something, they should keep him. If not, he was BAD Wick
more often than GOOD Wick this last season.
#Post#: 462300--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: October 24, 2022, 1:56 pm
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"Oops, Dave just posted this. Are Dave and I wrong? "
A reasonable concern when Dave agrees with you.
#Post#: 462301--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 24, 2022, 2:00 pm
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--- Quote from: JeffH link ---
> ...I do find it interesting that Hill played a lot of CF after
his promotion to Iowa after having played it very little in the
lower minors....
--- End Quote ---
Yeah, I'd love to hear what they think. I wonder if he's
something of a 1-tool guy, but isn't bad at the others?
Defensively lacks the arm or speed to stand out or scout well,
but maybe actually can catch the ball fine and gets good jumps
and is capable of being respectable defensively anywhere,
perhaps even in center? Offensively lacks the power or speed to
be a serious prospect; but maybe his contact is so good that he
might be able to hit .280 and have a .730 OPS?
I wonder if his chance of making the 25-man roster out of camp
might almost be as high or higher than his chance of making the
40-man entering Rule 5. Higher ceiling guys for the 40. And
he's not the toolsy type that rebuilding teams prioritize in
Rule 5? But if he plays fundamentally sound baseball and can
hit the ball, maybe he makes it as a utility outfielder who can
make contact, and when guys go onto the 60-man that's when spots
opens for him?
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