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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: October 23, 2022, 4:07 pm
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> Sorry, Curt, I posted below about Bellinger month-and-a half
ago. Old story, revised:
>
> [quote author=Reb link=topic=585.msg459713#msg459713
date=1662239504]
> Very good chance that Bellinger could be non-tendered this
off-season.
>
> If Dodgers arb him again, no way that he’s worth the $17 or so
you’d have to take on for him via trade. AND trade away guys of
any value to get him? Not going to happen.
>
> If he’s non-tendered, a plausible case could be made for Cubs
to sign him at WAY less than an arb salary for one year (he’s a
FA after 2023 otherwise). Cubs have been terrible in CF this
season——Velazquez and Morel are poor defensive guys in CF,
Ortega is blah as a starter, Davis probably needs bunch of games
at AAA in 2023. Maybe even use Bellinger at 1B. Could see that.
>
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Yes, and you were responding to my post earlier that morning.
What the hell is wrong with you? You think you have to have
credit for everything?
Bleacher Bums Forum / Re: Cubs in '22
« Message by CurtOne on September 03, 2022, 11:55:16 am »
A player that we might be able to obtain at a discount at this
time is Bellinger. After a couple of HOF type seasons, he has
really struggled with nagging injuries and terrible seasons. If
he could be gotten for a middlin prospect and a reliever, and he
returned to form that would be a gam ble worth taking.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: October 23, 2022, 4:17 pm
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Play nicely, children.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 23, 2022, 5:36 pm
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--- Quote from: CurtOne link ---
>
> Yes, and you were responding to my post earlier that morning.
What the hell is wrong with you? You think you have to have
credit for everything?
>
> Bleacher Bums Forum / Re: Cubs in '22
> « Message by CurtOne on September 03, 2022, 11:55:16 am »
> A player that we might be able to obtain at a discount at this
time is Bellinger. After a couple of HOF type seasons, he has
really struggled with nagging injuries and terrible seasons. If
he could be gotten for a middlin prospect and a reliever, and he
returned to form that would be a gam ble worth taking.
>
>
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I think you can answer your own question.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 23, 2022, 5:46 pm
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--- Quote from: CurtOne link ---
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> Yes, and you were responding to my post earlier that morning.
What the hell is wrong with you? You think you have to have
credit for everything?
>
> Bleacher Bums Forum / Re: Cubs in '22
> « Message by CurtOne on September 03, 2022, 11:55:16 am »
> A player that we might be able to obtain at a discount at this
time is Bellinger. After a couple of HOF type seasons, he has
really struggled with nagging injuries and terrible seasons. If
he could be gotten for a middlin prospect and a reliever, and he
returned to form that would be a gam ble worth taking.
>
>
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> Would be helpful if Hoyer could pull off a major trade to get
impact or significant guy instead of having to rely entirely on
FA market.
>
> But, hard to see how Cubs match up from the major league
roster. Happ only a year away from free agency, which reduces
his trade value; doesn’t seem to make sense to trade Hoerner or
Steele, etc. Doesn’t seem like Morel or Velazquez would get you
much in return.
>
> Would love to get, say, Pablo Lopez, but Marlins had a huge
ask for Lopez at trade deadline—insisting on Gleyber AND Oswaldo
Peraza from Yankees. So, hard to see anything like that.
>
> Wouldn’t shock me if maybe Cubs put together a package of
prospects for the right guy, especially as that might help with
the 40-man roster crunch. Presumably, Hoyer will be open to a
variety of ways to get better in 2023.
>
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> It’s not getting talked about much, but I’m not going to be
surprised to see the Cubs make a deal of prospects for a veteran
(probably a bat) with a couple of years left on a biggish
contract. I have no doubt they’ll make a mid-tier FA signing
like Stroman or Suzuki, but until proven otherwise I think
they’ll be more interested in being seen as finalists on the big
names than actually spending that much money. Apart from SS the
market for bats isn’t all that great this winter, and while it
will horrify many here, buying a veteran via trade is a way to
convince casual fans they’re trying to contend without spending
really big.
>
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: October 23, 2022, 6:33 pm
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> I can't believe that any team would be idiotic enough to offer
him 17 million for one year. Money might not mean much to you,
but no GM will bet that much money on a 20 to 1 shot.
>
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I don’t think he’ll get that. The point is one a year deal, it
doesn’t matter what the Cubs pay him. His salary at $X doesn’t
affect what the Cubs would do this year, they have a large
amount of money to spend.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: October 23, 2022, 7:17 pm
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You seem to think that just someone has money, they are willing
to toss it down the sewer.
Most people that have money, have it mainly because they don't
waste it.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Reb
Date: October 23, 2022, 7:44 pm
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You’re right, Curt. I forgot the context from those September
Bellinger posts. My bad.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 24, 2022, 9:48 am
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HTML https://theathletic.com/3719366/2022/10/23/cubs-offseason-bullpen/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
Bullpen article. Collects relevant quotes from Hoyer's
post-season press conference, recognizing that they want veteran
help and aren't OK with the internal guys.
References some of the good stats (good K-rates), and awful
HR-allowed and high walk rates.
Lists 8 existing names: Hughes, Keegan, Alzolay, Leiter, Wick,
Uelman, Rucker, Estrada.
-He didn't mention Manny Rodriguez.
In Keegan context, Ross comments on wanting good pitchers and
figuring out how to use them. "He’s done a really nice job
(with) a multi-inning role out of the bullpen that I really
trust and he’s also done a nice job starting. The more of those
guys that can do both, I’ll take them all. Give me all the good
pitchers and we’ll figure out where to slot them. "
-I think that broad perspective is relevant, given the work that
Keegan, Wesneski, Assad, and Sampson flashed as starters.
-I assume Hoyer will want to add two FA rotation guys (Senga and
Smyly, hypothetically) to mix in with Stroman and Hendricks.
*If* all those guys plus Steele are healthy there might not be
any rotation spot available for Keegan, Wesneski, Assad, and
Sampson. I could easily imagine Hoyer and Ross being fine with
carrying two (or maybe even three?) of those "could-be-starters"
in the bullpen, with two (or maybe only one?) on reserve at
Iowa?
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: October 24, 2022, 10:23 am
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Craig, there are 26 pitchers currently on the 40-man, 60-day IL,
or restricted list. I usually figure 20 (+/-1) pitchers on a
fully flushed out 40-man roster.
Two of those 26 are pending FAs (Miley and Smyly). That leaves
24.
24 plus 4 spots for FAs (2 SP and 2 RP) plus a minimum of one
Rule 5 protect add (Ben Brown) equals 29. That means there will
need a minimum of nine casualties from the current slate.
Brault, Espinoza, Marquez, Mills, Roberts, Rodriguez, Rucker,
Vizcaino, and Wieck?
If they want to add any other Rule 5 protect candidates (Correa,
Devers, Jensen, Sanders), they'll have to start cutting even
more deeply (Uelmen?)
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 24, 2022, 10:29 am
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Seems to me the bullpen is really short on LH relievers. I
imagine prioritizing at least one guaranteed lefty will happen.
(Heh heh, the Sheriff isn't available again, is he?).
Hoyer was really effusive about Miley in his press conference.
Questions:
1. I wonder if he'd profile well as a relief lefty?
Career-wise, he's got pretty good lefty splits.
2. I wonder if he'll get any market traction as a rotation guy?
At his age, velocity, and after his injury-limited 2022, I
doubt any contenders would guarantee him a rotation spot? Or
who knows, perhaps somebody will see him as an intelligent,
low-priced guy to fill out the back of a rotation?
3. I wonder if Hoyer might have interest in signing him as a
"good pitcher, and we’ll figure out where to slot them" and
"intelligent spending" guy? Not necessarily as a rotation guy,
but I'd think he might do pretty well as a flexible relief guy.
Veteran that Ross likes and trusts. Good clubhouse veteran
influence.
4. If Hoyer/Ross see him as a good pitcher, and he was
interested in coming back as a utility pitcher, how much do you
think he'd cost, and what kind of price might Hoyer consider
"intelligent spending"? For example, would $6 be unintelligent,
too much to offer? Would $5 be something reasonable, perhaps
with incentives for more?
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