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#Post#: 462197--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Reb
Date: October 22, 2022, 2:04 am
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Bellinger is not a trade candidate. Hard to believe that anybody
is going to commit a $17 arb salary to him, other than perhaps
the Dodgers if they decide to offer him a contract.
If Dodgers non-tender him, he’ll be a FA.
Bellinger is a way better defensive CFer than anybody Cubs
played out there in 2022, other than perhaps Hermosillo. A
definite defensive upgrade.
We know that shoulder surgery for pitchers often imperil their
career. Ditto for Bellinger. Not sure that anybody has a more
violent swing than Bellinger and his surgically repaired front
shoulder doesn’t seem to be holding up to pitching velocity. We
know what happens when a guy tries to work around velocity
vulnerability——he just opens up more holes in his swing. It’s
been a sad case for a guy who seemed maybe headed to HOF at one
time.
Not really keen on giving Nimmo a long multi-year contract and
doubt Cubs will pursue him aggressively. So, could see taking a
short deal on Bellinger at right price. Why not.
Who knows, maybe Bellinger just needs two years post-surgery for
some kind of semi-recovery. Seems a longshot but who knows.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Reb
Date: October 22, 2022, 2:20 am
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My sense about the Cubs roster discussion here for 2023 is that
more folks coming around to the notion that Cubs could actually
be serious 2023 contenders to win something if front office does
what is being suggested.
That seems like a change from the constant doom-and-gloom talk
earlier and the what’s-the-point of trying to improve next
season and maybe actually better if Cubs stink again for
long-term rationales.
Maybe it was seeing 87 and 89 win teams on the verge of going to
the World Series. Maybe it was the Cubs better 2nd half W/L
record. Maybe it’s the natural Hope Springs Eternal off-season
dreams. Maybe it’s Deeg’s Manic side temporarily besting his
Depressive side (for the moment).
Whatever it may be, glad to see talking about winning now.
#Post#: 462201--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Ron
Date: October 22, 2022, 8:01 am
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--- Quote from: ticohans link ---
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> Then direct your complaint to ownership, cause no one here is
thinking that way.
>
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Pretty sure no one in the Cubs is either.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: October 22, 2022, 1:08 pm
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--- Quote from: ticohans link ---
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> Then direct your complaint to ownership, cause no one here is
thinking that way.
>
--- End Quote ---
Nor is there any indication that ownership is thinking that way.
Other than Deeg's long standing and obvious bias.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: October 22, 2022, 1:11 pm
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Several people are in favor of signing Bellinger at the right
price. But I have not seen any suggestions on what the "right
price" should be? What is the highest the Cubs should offer, if
he is non-tendered?
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: October 22, 2022, 1:48 pm
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Place me firmly in the "don't sign Bellinger" camp.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: guest405
Date: October 22, 2022, 3:24 pm
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I'd take him.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 22, 2022, 5:08 pm
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I defer to Cubs analysis and that of you guys. But with Jeff,
I'd vote "no" on Bellinger? He's been really bad for these
recent years. .250-OBP and .300's slugging. The slump-version
of Patrick Wisdom?
It's fine to **hope** he improves, but I'd not expect him to
shift very far up the anti-awful continuum? Sure, maybe he can
break out and get up around the Patrick Wisdom level
offensively, but even that would be a pretty big jump for him.
Bellinger has been .240-.265 OBP; .360-.333 OBP. Big downgrade
versus Ortega offensively.
Jeff has suggested some younger prospect guys. *IF* you go that
way, and *if* the guy you try turns out well, you might then
have him under club control for a while, even if as depth guy
replaced as starter by Canario or PCA. But if you get
Bellinger, he's just immediately a free agent again even if hes
antiawful.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: davep
Date: October 22, 2022, 6:42 pm
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I have no problem with signing Bellinger if the money is low,
and he does not block anyone else.
But if I could ONLY have Canario OR Bellinger enter spring
training with the Cubs, I would choose Canario without
hesitation.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 22, 2022, 7:00 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
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> Several people are in favor of signing Bellinger at the right
price. But I have not seen any suggestions on what the "right
price" should be? What is the highest the Cubs should offer, if
he is non-tendered?
>
--- End Quote ---
Major league minimum with several million in performance
bonuses.
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