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#Post#: 462004--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in 23
By: Deeg Date: October 17, 2022, 10:01 pm
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[quote author=craig link=topic=612.msg461999#msg461999
date=1666056187]
tico, could you expand on that? Why is it implausible that the
Cubs might elect to spend ~10th?
Also, when you say that's "before considering" the
banked-dollars notion, are you saying even with banked dollars,
that ~10th is even then still an unimaginable scenario? Or are
you saying that ~10th is unimaginable before the banked dollars,
but that with the addition of hypothetically banked dollars,
perhaps ~10th might become plausible?
[/quote]
Its not implausible, unfortunately. It should certainly be
unacceptable.
#Post#: 462008--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in 23
By: craig Date: October 18, 2022, 8:43 am
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Oh, sorry, I misunderstood! "I cannot imagine a scenario in
which this would be acceptable for the 2023 Cubs."
*I misread that, as Hoyer being the 2023 Cubs, who wouldn't
accept spending into the top-10 yet at this point in the
rebuild, in which case Jeff's $75-85 is too high.
*But I obviously read that wrong: the idea is that Jeff's $75-85
is too low, especially with the banked dollars, and it's 2023
Cub fans who won't accept that level of spending.
#Post#: 462010--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in 23
By: craig Date: October 18, 2022, 9:12 am
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Just to put in some made-up dollars, just to use some names that
have been suggested:
1. Correa, $28
2. Nimmo $20 or CF-to-be-named-later, $6
3. Senga, $17
4. Jose Abreu, $16
5. Drew Smyly, $9
6. David Robertson $9
7. Backup C: Willson $19 or backup C $5
8. Reliever: $4
Sum: $122 (Willson + Nimmo)
$108 (Nimmo yes, Contreras no) or
$94 (no Willson or Nimmo)
My guesses are just dumb top-of-my-head, and not that market
savvy, so maybe they're often 10-20% too low, beats me?
Thoughts?
Just trying to get a ballpark feel for how much you might
actually get for $90-120.
My guess is no Willson and no Nimmo. So that something like
Correa-Senga-Smyly-Robertson-Abreu could fit.
#Post#: 462013--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in 23
By: Deeg Date: October 18, 2022, 9:21 am
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No way Correa signs for that AV, IMHO. And youd be nuts to
give Abreu that much. The other numbers look pretty close.
#Post#: 462017--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in 23
By: CUBluejays Date: October 18, 2022, 9:38 am
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Abreu is intersting as a Cubs target.
He fills a need and would be available on a short term deal.
Call that the Hoyer sweet spot.
Thing is he's traded power for contact and had a below average
ISO last year, so while he's a good offensive player he doesn't
address the Cubs power deficiency.
I kinda wonder if the Cubs would consider punting CF defense to
improve the offense. I don't see them committing long term,
higher AAV money to an OF with the plethora of OF prospects that
they have.
Would the consider Bellinger as a bounce back guy or go punt
defense and sign Conforto for LF and move Happ to CF. Grisham
would be another guy the Cubs might take a look at a bounce back
guy.
It is really going to be an interesting off season. My guess is
the Cubs spend a lot of money, but not much long term money.
#Post#: 462018--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in 23
By: JeffH Date: October 18, 2022, 10:11 am
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At SS, my uninformed guess is they like Turner more than Correa,
but how does the draft pick loss wind up changing that equation?
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Re: Cubs in 23
By: craig Date: October 18, 2022, 10:54 am
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[quote author=JeffH link=topic=612.msg462018#msg462018
date=1666105903]
At SS, my uninformed guess is they like Turner more than Correa,
but how does the draft pick loss wind up changing that equation?
[/quote]
Jeff, what do you think about Bogaerts? He's the lesser
defensively, perhaps by a lot, yes? But I kinda feel like he's
the best pure hitter, and a couple years younger than Turner,
too.
I almost feel like he'd be the most flexible for 2023. Suppose
Bogaerts could be blah but anti-awful at SS. You could be going
Wisdom-Bogaerts-Hoerner, *IF* Wisdom was hitting well. Or, if
Wisdom was in 3K-per-day mode, you could do
Bogaerts-Hoerner-Madrigal?
#Post#: 462023--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in 23
By: JeffH Date: October 18, 2022, 11:09 am
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[quote author=craig link=topic=612.msg462022#msg462022
date=1666108482]
Jeff, what do you think about Bogaerts? He's the lesser
defensively, perhaps by a lot, yes? But I kinda feel like he's
the best pure hitter, and a couple years younger than Turner,
too.
I almost feel like he'd be the most flexible for 2023. Suppose
Bogaerts could be blah but anti-awful at SS. You could be going
Wisdom-Bogaerts-Hoerner, *IF* Wisdom was hitting well. Or, if
Wisdom was in 3K-per-day mode, you could do
Bogaerts-Hoerner-Madrigal?
[/quote]
Only nine months' age difference between the two.
This would be a horrible look and something they would never do,
but, if they signed Bogaerts, the best defensive alignment would
probably be Bogaerts-Morel-Hoerner at 3B-SS-2B. Morel looked
best defensively at SS (to me). I don't know what the metrics
say.
Could they go Bogaerts-Hoerner-Morel?
#Post#: 462025--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in 23
By: method Date: October 18, 2022, 11:26 am
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I think the entire white sox team did that. It was a Frank
Mennichino thing more then a Abreu thing. Top HR hitter was
Vaughn, led the team with 17 HRs.
#Post#: 462026--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in 23
By: craig Date: October 18, 2022, 11:38 am
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[quote author=JeffH link=topic=612.msg462023#msg462023
date=1666109381]...
Could they go Bogaerts-Hoerner-Morel?
[/quote]
I I like that alignment.
1. If Morel knew that 2B was where the AB's were, I think he
could focus there and improve to some degree?
2. I also like that because then Morel and Madrigal could both
be competing for action, and maybe one or both will be
anti-awful?
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