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Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Dave23
Date: October 16, 2022, 4:39 pm
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Onward and upward…
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: Ron
Date: October 16, 2022, 5:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Dave23 link ---
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> Onward and upward…
>
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So we hope (and expect).
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: October 16, 2022, 5:19 pm
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Is this for 2123?
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: JeffH
Date: October 17, 2022, 2:24 pm
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2023 payroll summary. All values AAV. Subject to change with
trades, of course.
Players under contract:
Seiya Suzuki $17,000,000
Yan Gomes $6,500,000
David Bote $3,000,000
Marcus Stroman $23,666,667
Kyle Hendricks $13,875,000
Jason Heyward $23,000,000
Subtotal $87,041,667
Players eligible for arbitration (mlbtraderumors.com estimates):
Ian Happ $10,600,000
Nico Hoerner $2,200,000
Nick Madrigal $1,100,000
Rowan Wick $1,500,000
Codi Heuer $800,000
Subtotal $16,200,000
Non-tenders - Rafael Ortega, Franmil Reyes, Steven Brault, Alec
Mills, Brad Wieck
Note - The arb eligible bucket could get bigger with Happ and/or
Hoerner extensions.
Players under auto-renewal control (assume seven such players on
the opening day roster at $800,000 each):
Subtotal $5,600,000
Running total = $108,841,667
That accounts for 17 of 26 roster spots.
$75-$85 million for 9 spots?
One OF, one IF, one C, two SP, two RP? Maybe one more
auto-renewal player and one veteran free agent on a minor league
deal?
#Post#: 461991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 17, 2022, 4:40 pm
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Thanks, Jeff, very helpful.
Jeff Horn 2023 payroll summary. (so I can go back and search
easily!)
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 17, 2022, 4:42 pm
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Heyward and Hendricks $35 expiring.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: ticohans
Date: October 17, 2022, 7:50 pm
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--- Quote from: JeffH link ---
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> Running total = $108,841,667
>
> $75-$85 million for 9 spots?
>
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That would project the Cubs 2023 payroll to $185-195M.
Here are 2022 MLB payrolls:
HTML https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
Your projected range would put them somewhere around 10th
overall.
I cannot imagine a scenario in which this would be acceptable
for the 2023 Cubs. And that's before considering the notion that
the 2022 Cubs have supposedly "banked" some dollars to apply to
future years' payrolls.
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 17, 2022, 8:23 pm
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--- Quote from: ticohans link ---
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> ...Your projected range would put them somewhere around 10th
overall.
>
> I cannot imagine a scenario in which this would be acceptable
for the 2023 Cubs. And that's before considering the notion that
the 2022 Cubs have supposedly "banked" some dollars to apply to
future years' payrolls..
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tico, could you expand on that? Why is it implausible that the
Cubs might elect to spend ~10th?
Also, when you say that's "before considering" the
banked-dollars notion, are you saying even with banked dollars,
that ~10th is even then still an unimaginable scenario? Or are
you saying that ~10th is unimaginable before the banked dollars,
but that with the addition of hypothetically banked dollars,
perhaps ~10th might become plausible?
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 17, 2022, 8:25 pm
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I do wonder whether there might be some league-wide increase in
spending? After two summers of Covid, then uncertainty with how
long lockout would remain and what the new CBA would entail,
might some teams have been a little guarded?
In other words, if they hypothetically spent Jeff's
hypothetical, which was ~10th last year, might that perhaps
still only put them into 13-15th this upcoming year?
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Re: Cubs in ‘23
DIR By: craig
Date: October 17, 2022, 8:45 pm
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I also wonder how they process Heyward? Obviously mlb bills him
for 2023. But I wonder whether in a sense "banked dollars" were
accounted to erase Heyward obligation?
It's interesting that Stroman's deal drops by $4 in 24. Add
that to Hendricks and Heyward, and it's $40 coming off.
Happ and Hoerner are the only meaningful guys in the Arb stage.
Hoerner will be Arb 1 this year. So he'll inflate. But other
than relief pitchers or Madrigal, it's a couple years out before
built-in arb-inflation will start to be significant.
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