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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: Deeg
Date: July 26, 2022, 7:16 pm
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--- Quote from: JeffH link ---
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> How do we feel about Rowan Wick as a "sell high" candidate?
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> So much team control left. Does he have another level in him?
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How high are we selling on a reliever with a 4.5 ERA and 4 FIP?
I’d just keep Wick and let him close the rest of the year.
Whatever we get isn’t likely enough to give up a guy with some
upside and that much team control.
#Post#: 456681--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: davep
Date: July 26, 2022, 7:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Ron link ---
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> Last year I totally understood the decision to trade each of
the big three Cubs, even if I felt sad about them leaving. I
seem to feel at least as sad this year about losing Contreras
and possibly Happ, but I'm less clear about the necessity of
doing it.
>
--- End Quote ---
I am also very sad about losing Contreras in a trade, as I was
losing Baez in the trade last year. But I think the necessity
is exactly the same in both cases. There is no way the Cub are
going to win it all this year, and they can not allow a player
of Contreras's value to enter into free agency. Assuming that
they will not sign him before the deadline, and there is no
indication that they will, then they MUST trade him and at least
help the team in the future. They weaken the team in the long
run by letting him go without compensation, and in this
instance, substantial compensation.
I'm not sure what they would do with a marginal defensive first
baseman, regardless of his power, although I am sure they have
better information to rely upon. The Mets trade sounds to me
like a reporter creating click bait on a slow day.
#Post#: 456683--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: davep
Date: July 26, 2022, 7:26 pm
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--- Quote from: Ron link ---
>
> Last year I totally understood the decision to trade each of
the big three Cubs, even if I felt sad about them leaving. I
seem to feel at least as sad this year about losing Contreras
and possibly Happ, but I'm less clear about the necessity of
doing it.
>
--- End Quote ---
I am also very sad about losing Contreras in a trade, as I was
losing Baez in the trade last year. But I think the necessity
is exactly the same in both cases. There is no way the Cub are
going to win it all this year, and they can not allow a player
of Contreras's value to enter into free agency. Assuming that
they will not sign him before the deadline, and there is no
indication that they will, then they MUST trade him and at least
help the team in the future. They weaken the team in the long
run by letting him go without compensation, and in this
instance, substantial compensation.
I'm not sure what they would do with a marginal defensive first
baseman, regardless of his power, although I am sure they have
better information to rely upon. The Mets trade sounds to me
like a reporter creating click bait on a slow day.
--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
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> I think this puts the nail in the coffin that the Cubs are
going actively trying to win in 2023. If the minor leaguers
really take off maybe 2024, but I really think 2025 is going to
be the year when they try to actually win.
>
> Sucks with Ohtani being a free agent after 2023, but the rumor
is he wants to play for a winner. The Cubs might have a hard
time selling that, unless they can get him to buy into being
Lester 2.0.
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 456684--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: davep
Date: July 26, 2022, 7:33 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
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> Sucks with Ohtani being a free agent after 2023, but the rumor
is he wants to play for a winner. The Cubs might have a hard
time selling that, unless they can get him to buy into being
Lester 2.0.
>
--- End Quote ---
I doubt that the Cubs will be serious contenders next year, if
by serious, you mean the favorite. But I believe that 2023 will
be a lot closer to 2015 than most people expect, and by the end
of 2015, most baseball people knew that the Cubs would be one of
the top teams in 2016. If Ohtana is a free agent, I doubt very
much that the decision to not sign with the Cubs has anything to
do with the fear that they will not be winners.
#Post#: 456686--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: July 26, 2022, 7:39 pm
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Wick works much better as a closer. He has closer mentality.
When he comes in as a set-up guy, there's a little swagger and
adrenaline missing. At the beginning of the year, I think the
thinking was that when Robertson got traded, Wick would become
the closer, but he's sucked as a set up guy (for the most part)
and it looks like Effross is the new guy.
#Post#: 456687--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: July 26, 2022, 7:40 pm
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Has Ohtani given any indication that he wants to leave the
Angels?
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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: Deeg
Date: July 26, 2022, 7:46 pm
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--- Quote from: CurtOne link ---
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> Has Ohtani given any indication that he wants to leave the
Angels?
>
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There are rumors, but he’d never say anything publicly.
We’d have to show considerable improvement by the end of next
season to interest Ohtani, but I doubt we’d be willing to
financially go where that would require us to go. How do you
value a guy who pitches like a #1 starter and hits like a middle
of the order guy? Do you price out each half separately and add
them together? In a way it’s like you have insurance against
the disaster of signing a #1 starter and having them blow their
arm out, because you still have the hitter half. And he’s a
damn good OF too, if it ever came to that.
#Post#: 456691--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: July 26, 2022, 8:19 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> I doubt that the Cubs will be serious contenders next year, if
by serious, you mean the favorite. But I believe that 2023 will
be a lot closer to 2015 than most people expect, and by the end
of 2015, most baseball people knew that the Cubs would be one of
the top teams in 2016. If Ohtana is a free agent, I doubt very
much that the decision to not sign with the Cubs has anything to
do with the fear that they will not be winners.
>
--- End Quote ---
All we are missing is Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, Baez, Arrieta.
Give the minor leaguers a year or two more.
#Post#: 456697--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: Dave23
Date: July 26, 2022, 8:36 pm
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Ask Votto about Wick’s swag and adrenaline…
#Post#: 456698--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hot Stove ‘22
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: July 26, 2022, 8:38 pm
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LOL
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