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Re: 2012 Draft
By: CurtOne Date: May 9, 2012, 12:18 pm
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The original question from the Squirt was whether it would be
McLeod or Wilkin, Athwart.
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Re: 2012 Draft
By: davep Date: May 9, 2012, 12:33 pm
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Every boss has veto power. Few use it on a regular basis.
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Re: 2012 Draft
By: craig Date: May 9, 2012, 12:45 pm
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The number of players under consideration for the 6th pick will
not be huge. At 43 and 56, there is a huge number of players
who might be under consideration there. But to be one of the
top 6, there can't be all that many. So I'd think that if
Wilkin and McLeod have narrowed that to 10-15, Hoyer and/or Theo
really could go and watch some of them themselves. And
thoroughly pore over every bit of input on those guys the other
scouts contribute. So it wouldn't surprise me if they really
were players in the discussion.
By the time we get to our 2nd round picks and later, I'd be
surprised if they knew enough about the choices to make any kind
of meaningful contribution. Theo is a pretty smooth talker; he
might be effective at making phone calls to guys to say we're
interested in you with our next pick; we're committed to player
development and there will be tons of opportunities in our
organization; but if you picked in the 4th round, are you going
to be signable for 4th round money, or should we not bother?
I'd think Theo would be really slick at that kind of stuff.
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Re: 2012 Draft
By: Deeg Date: May 9, 2012, 12:46 pm
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[quote author=davep link=topic=60.msg72197#msg72197
date=1336584789]
Every boss has veto power. Few use it on a regular basis.
[/quote]
Theo should use his veto power when Wilken tries to show up for
work.
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Re: 2012 Draft
By: JR Date: May 9, 2012, 1:02 pm
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[quote author=Deeg link=topic=60.msg72204#msg72204
date=1336585610]
Theo should use his veto power when Wilken tries to show up for
work.
[/quote]
I'm not Wilken's biggest fan either, but I think his record is
starting to look a little better with hindsight. Samardzija,
Cashner, Jackson, and Russell are looking like pretty good
players, and Steve Clevenger is starting to look like a guy who
could carve out a pretty respectable major league career. You
could throw Darwin Barney in there as well if you want. If
Samardzija is for real, having that pick vindicated makes
Wilken's record look quite a bit better.
If Wilken has a big say in this year's draft, hopefully at the
very least McLeod keeps him from making bat**** crazy Hayden
Simpson type picks or can be more persuasive on guys like Matt
Weiters when Wilken wants to take a pass on a player like that.
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Re: 2012 Draft
By: JR Date: May 9, 2012, 1:16 pm
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That being said, mentioning the awful Hayden Simpson pick made
me want to take a look back at how the 2010 draft class is doing
now. Aside from Matt Szczur, who still has a ways to go
himself, how is this class looking two years later?
Reggie Golden still seems iffy. Ben Wells isn't setting the
world on fire in Low-A. Dallas Beeler is doing OK in Double-A,
but he's looking more like a #3-#4 starter or 7th inning
reliever type than an impact pitcher. Kevin Rhoderick has some
setup reliever potential.
HTML http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=CHC&year_ID=2010&draft_type=junreg&
Not a whole lot of impact talent emerging from this class it
looks like, but it's still early.
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Re: 2012 Draft
By: StrikeZone Date: May 9, 2012, 4:17 pm
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I think that the recent drafts, with the exception of last
year's, the Cubs have ended up with players that project to be
low-ceiling / high floor guys.
There's been an awful lot of organizational players, utility men
and guys that look like they'll end up as middle relievers.
Middle-of-the-order bats and #1 or #2 starters just haven't been
taken or didn't pan out and that's left them very little in the
way of quality in the upper minors.
Thanks to last year's "new philosophy" draft, they do have a few
interesting players but they're several years from the Majors.
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Re: 2012 Draft
By: CurtOne Date: May 9, 2012, 4:30 pm
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"high floor" LOL Right up there with Mondaled.
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Re: 2012 Draft
By: davep Date: May 9, 2012, 4:46 pm
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One large problem with the previous administration's drafts was
that, until ricketts bought the team, they never had the budget
to draft 4 or 5 first round talents and pay them first round
money, as Boston and some other teams did. If you take
Vogelbach, Maples and Dunston out of last year's draft, it looks
pretty much like previous drafts.
And since Epstein no longer will be able to use the same draft
strategy that he used so successfully in Boston, it will be
interesting to see if he can come up with an alternative
strategy for success.
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Re: 2012 Draft
By: CurtOne Date: May 9, 2012, 5:01 pm
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Why can't he? All of the teams have the same restrictions.
Kids will have to take less if they want to turn pro. I think
it will be that simple, and if the Cubs are offering as much $$
as anyone else, we have a good shot. The only reason for a kid
to turn down the money is hoping that the rules change before
they graduate from college.
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