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#Post#: 35574--------------------------------------------------
Cubs in '12
By: mO Date: September 29, 2011, 10:14 am
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Discuss
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Re: Cubs in '12
By: davep Date: September 29, 2011, 10:23 am
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Time to set up a Cubs in 2013 thread.
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Re: Cubs in '12
By: JR Date: September 29, 2011, 10:33 am
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Jeff are you still keeping up with the payroll situation? This
might be a good time for a run down.
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Re: Cubs in '12
By: Clarkaddison Date: September 29, 2011, 10:36 am
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We won't have Quade to kick around any more.
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Re: Cubs in '12
By: AZSteve Date: September 29, 2011, 10:53 am
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blech...Cubs will still have Soriano
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Re: Cubs in '12
By: Cubsin Date: September 29, 2011, 11:03 am
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Regardless of who the new GM turns out to be, he's going to have
to make several important decisions very quickly.
First, he has to decide whether to pick up ARam's option, try to
extend his contract or decline his option and offer arbitration.
Next, he has to decide whether or not to bring Zambrano back. He
also has to figure out what to do with Soriano, Quade and his
coaching staff. He has to establish his goals and objectives for
free agency and offseason trades. The sooner he's named, the
better.
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Re: Cubs in '12
By: brjones Date: September 29, 2011, 11:09 am
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[font=times new roman]
Some things I would ideally like to see this offseason (in
addition to adding the Friedman/Maddon or Epstein/Francona
tandem):
[/font][list][li][font=times new roman][font=Times New
Roman]Target CJ Wilson, and make the best offer unless bidding
gets ridiculous. I'd definitely be willing to go as far as
Jered Weaver's 5 year, $85 million
deal.[/font][/font][/li][li][font=times new roman][font=Times
New Roman]Attempt to add a young hitter who could become a
building block player along with Castro and Garza (and hopefully
Jackson). I've mentioned Alonso (blocked by Votto) and Morrison
(out of favor with the Marlins) several times, but there are
probably others out there. Dominic Brown and Brandon Belt come
to mind immediately as top prospects whose teams just don't seem
to want to play them, for example. I'm sure there are
others.[/font][/font][/li][li][font=times new roman][font=Times
New Roman]Make Ramirez a "take it or leave it" offer pretty
quickly around 2 years, $22-$26 million with a team option for
2014. If he doesn't accept, move on and find an under the radar
trade (Chase Headley? Martin
Prado?).[/font][/font][/li][li][font=times new roman][font=Times
New Roman]Avoid Fielder and Pujols because their contracts will
be far too long. Find a short term (1-3 years at most) middle
of the lineup hitter (Beltran? Ethier? Wright?), which will
allow the Cubs a little more time to determine where they need
long term help.[/font][/font][/li][li][font=times new
roman][font=Times New Roman]Find the best trade offer for Marmol
and take it. He's far more Eric Gagne than Mariano
Rivera.[/font][/font][/li][li][font=times new roman][font=Times
New Roman]Dump Zambrano and Soriano, with the strategy being to
take the deal that serves the most money. No matter how much of
these contracts the Cubs pay, they're not going to get anything
better than some team's 20th-25th best prospect. They're better
off saving an extra $3 million or whatever. Obviously, there
are exceptions (specifically, I'm thinking about Zambrano having
value to Ozzie Guillen, and eating more money might make him
appealing as a second piece in a Morrison deal)...but generally,
saving money should be the
goal.[/font][/font][/li][li][font=times new roman][font=Times
New Roman]Make sure there is starting pitcher depth. Coleman
and Russell should not go into 2012 as the 6th and 7th
starters.[/font][/font][/li][li][font=times new
roman][font=Times New Roman]Make it clear that CF is Brett
Jackson's job to lose.[/font][/font][/li][/list][font=times new
roman][font=Times New Roman]
The Marlins are the most interesting team to watch in relation
to the Cubs' offseason, I think. Recent developments just seem
to be great for the Cubs. We all know of Morrison's issues and
Zambrano's strong relationship with Ozzie. But there are other
factors too...they may not have a closer after the Nunez/Oviedo
situation (making them a possible destination for Marmol).
There have been rumors the last few days that they will shop the
disappointing but reasonablly productive Ricky Nolasco (giving a
potential contract match for Marmol who fills a Cubs need).
They could potentially be a one stop shop to address several
things the Cubs need to do this offseason.[/font][/font]
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Re: Cubs in '12
By: StrikeZone Date: September 29, 2011, 11:29 am
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[quote author=Clarkaddison link=topic=59.msg35584#msg35584
date=1317310578]
We won't have Quade to kick around any more.
[/quote]
From your keyboard to God's ears.
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Re: Cubs in '12
By: BullingersEars Date: September 29, 2011, 11:42 am
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I think we're committed to about $90 going into next year.... is
$125 a reasonable payroll guess?
It seem the team is committed to Pena. As a good defender
(though not quite as good as advertised IMO), with power I'm ok
with this. Maybe a two year deal around $16?
I have no clue what the team does at third base, as it sounds
Ramirez is out the door.
If they go cheap at the hot corner, it could leave about $25
million to land a couple of quality starting pitchers. Sabathia
(maybe) and Wilson are class of the market. My guy Vazquez
seems bent on retirement. After that the FA pool drops to the
Jeff Francis' of the world.
In the trade market, I too have heard Nolasco's name thrown
around. The Yankees would love to move AJ Burnett. The Rays
have a deluge of starters (Price, Shields, Hellickson, Davis,
Niemann, Cobb, Moore) and would probably be willing to talk.
Not sure if we've been in the Yu Darvish conversation.
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Re: Cubs in '12
By: Jes Beard Date: September 29, 2011, 11:55 am
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[quote author=Cubsin link=topic=59.msg35596#msg35596
date=1317312231]
Regardless of who the new GM turns out to be, he's going to have
to make several important decisions very quickly.
First, he has to decide whether to pick up ARam's option, try to
extend his contract or decline his option and offer arbitration.
Next, he has to decide whether or not to bring Zambrano back. He
also has to figure out what to do with Soriano, Quade and his
coaching staff. He has to establish his goals and objectives for
free agency and offseason trades. The sooner he's named, the
better.
[/quote]
Why would he have to make those decisions?
We have already hashed each one of those out and have come to a
consensus.
Why would a new GM go against the consensus here?
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