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#Post#: 35574--------------------------------------------------
Cubs in '12
DIR By: mO
Date: September 29, 2011, 10:14 am
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Discuss
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Re: Cubs in '12
DIR By: davep
Date: September 29, 2011, 10:23 am
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Time to set up a Cubs in 2013 thread.
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Re: Cubs in '12
DIR By: JR
Date: September 29, 2011, 10:33 am
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Jeff are you still keeping up with the payroll situation? This
might be a good time for a run down.
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Re: Cubs in '12
DIR By: Clarkaddison
Date: September 29, 2011, 10:36 am
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We won't have Quade to kick around any more.
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Re: Cubs in '12
DIR By: AZSteve
Date: September 29, 2011, 10:53 am
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blech...Cubs will still have Soriano
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Re: Cubs in '12
DIR By: Cubsin
Date: September 29, 2011, 11:03 am
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Regardless of who the new GM turns out to be, he's going to have
to make several important decisions very quickly.
First, he has to decide whether to pick up ARam's option, try to
extend his contract or decline his option and offer arbitration.
Next, he has to decide whether or not to bring Zambrano back. He
also has to figure out what to do with Soriano, Quade and his
coaching staff. He has to establish his goals and objectives for
free agency and offseason trades. The sooner he's named, the
better.
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Re: Cubs in '12
DIR By: brjones
Date: September 29, 2011, 11:09 am
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Some things I would ideally like to see this offseason (in
addition to adding the Friedman/Maddon or Epstein/Francona
tandem):
- [font=Times New Roman]Target CJ Wilson, and make the best
offer unless bidding gets ridiculous. I'd definitely be willing
to go as far as Jered Weaver's 5 year, $85 million deal.[/font]
- [font=Times New Roman]Attempt to add a young hitter who could
become a building block player along with Castro and Garza (and
hopefully Jackson). I've mentioned Alonso (blocked by Votto)
and Morrison (out of favor with the Marlins) several times, but
there are probably others out there. Dominic Brown and Brandon
Belt come to mind immediately as top prospects whose teams just
don't seem to want to play them, for example. I'm sure there
are others.[/font]
- [font=Times New Roman]Make Ramirez a "take it or leave it"
offer pretty quickly around 2 years, $22-$26 million with a team
option for 2014. If he doesn't accept, move on and find an
under the radar trade (Chase Headley? Martin Prado?).[/font]
- [font=Times New Roman]Avoid Fielder and Pujols because their
contracts will be far too long. Find a short term (1-3 years at
most) middle of the lineup hitter (Beltran? Ethier? Wright?),
which will allow the Cubs a little more time to determine where
they need long term help.[/font]
- [font=Times New Roman]Find the best trade offer for Marmol and
take it. He's far more Eric Gagne than Mariano Rivera.[/font]
- [font=Times New Roman]Dump Zambrano and Soriano, with the
strategy being to take the deal that serves the most money. No
matter how much of these contracts the Cubs pay, they're not
going to get anything better than some team's 20th-25th best
prospect. They're better off saving an extra $3 million or
whatever. Obviously, there are exceptions (specifically, I'm
thinking about Zambrano having value to Ozzie Guillen, and
eating more money might make him appealing as a second piece in
a Morrison deal)...but generally, saving money should be the
goal.[/font]
- [font=Times New Roman]Make sure there is starting pitcher
depth. Coleman and Russell should not go into 2012 as the 6th
and 7th starters.[/font]
- [font=Times New Roman]Make it clear that CF is Brett Jackson's
job to lose.[/font]
[font=Times New Roman]
The Marlins are the most interesting team to watch in relation
to the Cubs' offseason, I think. Recent developments just seem
to be great for the Cubs. We all know of Morrison's issues and
Zambrano's strong relationship with Ozzie. But there are other
factors too...they may not have a closer after the Nunez/Oviedo
situation (making them a possible destination for Marmol).
There have been rumors the last few days that they will shop the
disappointing but reasonablly productive Ricky Nolasco (giving a
potential contract match for Marmol who fills a Cubs need).
They could potentially be a one stop shop to address several
things the Cubs need to do this offseason.[/font]
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Re: Cubs in '12
DIR By: StrikeZone
Date: September 29, 2011, 11:29 am
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--- Quote from: Clarkaddison link ---
>
> We won't have Quade to kick around any more.
>
--- End Quote ---
From your keyboard to God's ears.
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Re: Cubs in '12
DIR By: BullingersEars
Date: September 29, 2011, 11:42 am
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I think we're committed to about $90 going into next year.... is
$125 a reasonable payroll guess?
It seem the team is committed to Pena. As a good defender
(though not quite as good as advertised IMO), with power I'm ok
with this. Maybe a two year deal around $16?
I have no clue what the team does at third base, as it sounds
Ramirez is out the door.
If they go cheap at the hot corner, it could leave about $25
million to land a couple of quality starting pitchers. Sabathia
(maybe) and Wilson are class of the market. My guy Vazquez
seems bent on retirement. After that the FA pool drops to the
Jeff Francis' of the world.
In the trade market, I too have heard Nolasco's name thrown
around. The Yankees would love to move AJ Burnett. The Rays
have a deluge of starters (Price, Shields, Hellickson, Davis,
Niemann, Cobb, Moore) and would probably be willing to talk.
Not sure if we've been in the Yu Darvish conversation.
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Re: Cubs in '12
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: September 29, 2011, 11:55 am
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--- Quote from: Cubsin link ---
>
> Regardless of who the new GM turns out to be, he's going to
have to make several important decisions very quickly.
>
> First, he has to decide whether to pick up ARam's option, try
to extend his contract or decline his option and offer
arbitration. Next, he has to decide whether or not to bring
Zambrano back. He also has to figure out what to do with
Soriano, Quade and his coaching staff. He has to establish his
goals and objectives for free agency and offseason trades. The
sooner he's named, the better.
>
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Why would he have to make those decisions?
We have already hashed each one of those out and have come to a
consensus.
Why would a new GM go against the consensus here?
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