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Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 1, 2021, 6:34 pm
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> Wittenmyer on the Cubs' potential interest in Marcus Stroman
this offseason (and Stroman's willingness to come to a
rebuilding team):
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HTML https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/marcus-stroman-cubs-always-huge-free-agent-destination-target
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I would be pretty cautious on Stroman. A good but not great SP,
will be 31 next season, velocity down a bit this year. If you
sign him to a 9-figure 4-5 year deal he's likely to be a fading,
overpriced player whose salary is an albatross by the time the
club is seriously competitive again. There's plenty of money
now, but we all know when the moment to contend (hopefully)
comes Ricketts will be crying poor and looking for every excuse
not to spend.
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Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: October 1, 2021, 7:43 pm
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I will be really shocked if they Cubs sign a free agent to a
deal let never than 2 years. Unless the Cubs are willing to
spend well north of $200 million in salary next year the team
has too many holes to be anything more than catch lightning in a
bottle.
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Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: craig
Date: October 1, 2021, 10:14 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
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> I will be really shocked if they Cubs sign a free agent to a
deal let never than 2 years. Unless the Cubs are willing to
spend well north of $200 million in salary next year the team
has too many holes to be anything more than catch lightning in a
bottle.
>
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Tyler Chatwood was three. There's advantage in getting some
extra control if you're signing a guy your scouts think is going
to be better in future. Not sure if the Cubs will find guys
like that, or if they do whether the guy they think might be a
breakout guy will be, or will be more Chatwood.
#Post#: 440377--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: Dave23
Date: October 4, 2021, 11:15 am
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I wonder if the Tigers will shop Michael Fulmer again this
offseason, and if he wants to be a starter going forward...
#Post#: 440378--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: JR
Date: October 4, 2021, 11:27 am
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Selfishly for fantasy baseball purposes, I'd like the Tigers
keep him as their closer, but he would make for an interesting
starting pitching target.
#Post#: 440379--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: October 4, 2021, 11:29 am
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
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> Tyler Chatwood was three. There's advantage in getting some
extra control if you're signing a guy your scouts think is going
to be better in future. Not sure if the Cubs will find guys
like that, or if they do whether the guy they think might be a
breakout guy will be, or will be more Chatwood.
>
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I was listening to Sharma/Mooney/Taylor's podcast and they put
into a better explanation of what I was thinking. The Cubs
aren't going to really be competing in the next 2 years. They
are going to try and field a better team, but I don't think they
are going to want to sign a free agent to high dollar 3+ year
deals. The best years of that contract is going to be where the
Cubs need it the least. Correa is probalbly the only guy that
could make sense age wise, but he has injury issues and may not
stay at SS long term.
They should be able to get somebody like Noah Syndergaard for a
1-2 year deal with a high AAV. Then try a find a another decent
started with the same type of deal. Then look at guys like
Fulmer to compete with Thompson/Steele/Mills to round out the
rotation. Most likely the team gets blown up again at the
deadline, but it might generate enough interest on for them to
sell some tickets. Target a guy like Conforto and offense and
will in some holes. I could see they Cubs spending a lot of
money and generating buzz, it just isn't going to be guys that
are going to guaranteed dollars when the Next Great Cubs Team
(TM) is around.
They need to try and find the next Gausman or Ray, talented but
flawed guys. Hopefully they can, but finding the next Chatwood
is a much more likely.
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Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: JR
Date: October 4, 2021, 11:36 am
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I still wish we would make a play to re-sign Bryant or Baez, but
that's probably a pipe dream at this point.
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Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: October 4, 2021, 11:55 am
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--- Quote from: JR link ---
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> I still wish we would make a play to re-sign Bryant or Baez,
but that's probably a pipe dream at this point.
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Baez is somebody I could see not being able to get a big dollar,
multiyear deal. So he could end up getting a pillow contract
and the Cubs have $$$ and an opening at SS. If you listen to
Kevin Goldstein talk about it him, he may not have much of a
market.
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Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: davep
Date: October 4, 2021, 12:18 pm
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I agree that Baez is probably the most likely of the three to be
resigned. The rumors were that the Mets were the only team with
a lot of interest in him, and they might not want him for a
multi year deal. I wouldn't object to them signing him for a
multi year contract, if the AAV was somewhere below 20 million
per year.
Regardless, I hope they sign one long term offensive player to
act as an anchor, and spend whatever is left over for the best
starting pitcher they can get. I think they have enough
offensive potential in the minors, so depending upon how they
progress, strengthen the starting staff each year. Rinse and
repeat.
I hope they also resign Contreras next summer, if they can fit
it into their budget. If not, trade him at the deadline.
Brennen Davis might be with the team next year. At the very
least, they should have a much better idea of whether or not he
can be an impact player. With the exception of shortstop, they
seem to be adequate in the infield, until a better player comes
along. I'm sure that Happ will be in left field next year, for
better or worse, and if Hoerner is moved to center, their
outfield will also be set, until an opportunistic improvement is
made, so the starting staff is the place to put their money.
If PCA turns out to be as good and as ready as some seem to
think, that might put Happ on the market right around the trade
deadline. If he is on one of his hot streaks, he could bring
back a pretty good haul. Maybe the Reds would like a home town
product that hits well in their park.
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Re: Cubs in '22
DIR By: JR
Date: October 4, 2021, 12:24 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
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> Baez is somebody I could see not being able to get a big
dollar, multiyear deal. So he could end up getting a pillow
contract and the Cubs have $$$ and an opening at SS. If you
listen to Kevin Goldstein talk about it him, he may not have
much of a market.
>
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Seems like you could at least count the Mets and their deep
pockets out as a bidder, so that would help bring his market
down at least a little bit.
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