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Re: Cubs in '22
By: Robb Date: August 20, 2021, 10:31 am
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What is everyone hoping for this off-season? I think
realistically the Cubs sign a big ticket starter and position
player. For me, Correa and Stroman would be about as good as
could be expected.
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Re: Cubs in '22
By: chgojhawk Date: August 20, 2021, 1:24 pm
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[quote author=Robb link=topic=585.msg437773#msg437773
date=1629473513]
What is everyone hoping for this off-season? I think
realistically the Cubs sign a big ticket starter and position
player. For me, Correa and Stroman would be about as good as
could be expected.
[/quote]
Very good question. I'm not sure anyone decent will sign with
us unless we give way more money than a team that may have a
chance to compete.
On one hand I could see the team spend and pick up 5 nice
players for a quick rebuild, but I know that won't happen. On
the other hand standing pat, then trading competitive parts,
having the worst record in baseball and getting the #1 pick
seems more likely.
Since you asked what I would like to see (and trying to be
somewhat realistic)......I would like to see us spend enough to
be competitive and have a chance to sneak into the playoffs
while excelling in international signings to continue rebuilding
the farm system
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Re: Cubs in '22
By: craig Date: August 20, 2021, 3:52 pm
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One of the questions in the rebuild will be the next CBA. Theo
and Hoyer several times mentioned that cba changes really
curtailed their intended process with the previous Cubs rebuild.
They got Soler signed before things changed. Bit then the
concept of investing big in draft and IFA (while perhaps
spending less on the big-league roster) was taken away. The
loss of draft picks for signing good FA's was also a factor; for
signing Heyward and Zobrist, they lost their top two draft picks
in 2016. (Michael Rucker is the only pick from that draft to
reach the majors, Tom Hatch was the Cubs first selection.).
Because the CBA had removed draft compensation for players
traded mid-season, they were able to sign Lester without losing
their pick in 2015, which resulted in Ian Happ. Subsequent
changes made it so that even had we held onto Baez/Bryzzo,
compensation picks would be a round later than in days past.
Hoyer is not wrong to acknowledge that it's difficult to know
exactly what options will make sense without knowing what the
new CBA looks like. Do you want to sign FA's to make next year
more competitive, while costing draft picks each? Will you be
losing your top pick, or only subsequent selections?
My guess is that the union itself doesn't care too much about
IFA or the draft, so long as teams are prevented from diverting
big-league salary to amateur procurement. So I'd guess the
players won't have much motivation to change the draft or IFA.
So, good chance that there will be some modification to the
current system, but it might not be very radical.
There has been talk of instituting an IFA draft. Between the
two parties, I'm not sure which side would push very hard for
that, though? Maybe some of the smaller-market owners, wanting
better parity? That's been mentioned often, but I'm not sure of
all of the things the two parties care about economically, I'm
not sure IFA-draft would fall within the top 100 issues for
either side. (And probably even within the owners, there'd
likely be divergent views on that.).
From the players side, one small modification that I'd suggest
would be to remove any draft-choice penalty for teams who sign
FA's. Players know that a rebuilding under-spending team like
the Cubs has a conflict. We want to sign FA's to get better;
but we value draft picks as a way to get better, too.
Penalizing and disincentivizing the Cubs for signing FA's does
not encourage them to spend, or to even make competitive offers
that drive up offers. There was some penalty-moderation in the
last CBA, I think, but erasing any penalty would make sense to
me. That would make it easier for a team like the Cubs to use
BOTH draft AND FA to rebuild, and I don't think the Cubs are
unique in that.
I still think there is competitive-balance reasons to retain
some level of compensation picks. if you lose a guy, get a comp
pick; but don't penalize the team who signs a FA. That would be
best for players and spending, I think. Personally I almost
think bringing back comp picks after the first round instead of
only the 2nd might actually benefit both competitive-balance and
perhaps do the players as much good as harm.
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Re: Cubs in '22
By: Deeg Date: August 20, 2021, 6:50 pm
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Trade Hendricks and Contreras for the best possible return and
sign at least 2-3 FAs to 1 and 2-year deals that can be flipped
at the deadline.
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Re: Cubs in '22
By: method Date: August 20, 2021, 7:31 pm
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There is no way the Cubs sign a single FA that has a QO as such
top tier FA like Correa and Stroman are off the board.
So its tier two guys on 1-2 year deals, that can be traded at
the deadline.
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Re: Cubs in '22
By: Robb Date: August 20, 2021, 7:34 pm
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Aren't the top 15 picks protected?
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Re: Cubs in '22
By: craig Date: August 20, 2021, 7:53 pm
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[quote author=Robb link=topic=585.msg437815#msg437815
date=1629506075]
Aren't the top 15 picks protected?
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Yes, under current cba.
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Re: Cubs in '22
By: CUBluejays Date: August 20, 2021, 8:12 pm
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Sharma/Mooney/Taylor discussed this on onto Waveland
-they except some teams to try and jump the market before the
CBA is finalized. The really don�t they no this will be the Cubs
- they doubt the Cubs get into the Correra/Stroman tier
- maybe they will overpay on short term deals, but Hoyer doesn�t
have a budget yet.
My guess is they have to have somewhat of a team to sell to fans
to get season tickets sold.
My ideal is Synderguard, Conforto on prove it deals and 1 more
starting pitcher with a couple veteran relievers and 1-2 more
hitters. All on 1 years deals.
My fear is crap starting pitching and Baez coming back.
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Re: Cubs in '22
By: Reb Date: August 20, 2021, 8:30 pm
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[quote author=method link=topic=585.msg437814#msg437814
date=1629505908]
There is no way the Cubs sign a single FA that has a QO as such
top tier FA like Correa and Stroman are off the board.
So its tier two guys on 1-2 year deals, that can be traded at
the deadline.
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Stroman is ineligible for a QO. Ditto Gausman.
Of course, nobody has any clue what kind of FAs Cubs are going
to pursue.
My guess is that Cubs are going to be very reluctant to lose
that 2nd round pick under current cba rules. That�s a low 40s
overall pick. But, could see spending on Stroman (or Gausman),
as that probably doesn�t come into play pending new cba.
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Re: Cubs in '22
By: Playtwo Date: August 23, 2021, 11:19 am
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I'm guilty of the same thing that Brett Taylor is confessing to-
assuming Hoerner is a lock to be a starter for us down the road.
I'm less certain now.
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