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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: CurtOne Date: July 12, 2021, 9:23 am
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So we now have a Wicks, a Wick, a Wieck, and when the Cards are
the opponent, a Jordan Hicks. Fun.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: davep Date: July 12, 2021, 11:01 am
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When I read the various scouting reports on Wick, I get the
impression that we drafted a Quintano, assuming that his
velocity does NOT have an uptick.
Drafting a Quintana on the 21st pick of the draft is not a bad
thing.
And if a velocity uptick does actually take place, it could be a
heck of a good thing.
Or, he can end up mediocre to bad, like the vast majority of the
21st picks in the draft.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: CUBluejays Date: July 12, 2021, 11:04 am
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When they first announced the pick I was kinda like another
boring college pitcher, to add to the the boring collection of
college pitchers that the Cubs have taken over the years.
Then you kinda read into and the things that he does well
command, change-up are hard to teach. What does he need to be a
better prospect 1) Velocity- the Cubs have finally figured out
how to add velocity 2) Better curve ball, the Cubs are really
good at this. 3.) Slider, maybe make it more of a cutter.
A year from know he could still be a below average fastball with
a plus change and middling breaking balls with command. He'd be
a hard throwing version of Davies. I nice back end of the
rotation pitcher, which is perfectly fine for the 21st pick in
the draft. He could be a guy sitting mid 94-96, with a plus
change, better curve and cutter with command. That is a Jon
Lester starter kit. His weakness are what the Cubs in the pitch
lab fix well.
The next couple rounds I'm hoping for starters with some
projection, contact hitters and power hitters.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: craig Date: July 12, 2021, 12:22 pm
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Blue, well stated. Velocity and curve/breaking stuff is exactly
what pitch-lab can help with. Command and changeup, seemingly
much less so. So, it kinda seems like he's got the stuff pitch
lab can't give, and he needs the things that pitch lab can
assist with.
You guys with Q/Lester analogies are kinda depressing me,
though. Yeah, I know you could do worse, but at some point you
do need to get some actually flat-out good players, not just
anti-awfuls. And obviously what was good velocity back when
Lester was young, everybody is faster now. *IF* Wicks has
velocity little better than Q and Lester in their recent Cubs
years, that would be awfully disappointing; sitting 94-96, that
would be a very different story than the Lester or Q in my
recent memory for sure.
As always, the level of "good command" is central to everything.
Davies and Hendricks both generally scout under the "very good
command" umbrella. But game to game we see games when they're
really sharp, and games when they're not. Q was supposed to be
a command guy, but in practice that was very inconsistent, and
his stuff was so sub-average that when his command was
inconsistent, he was super vulnerable. Abbott is supposed to be
a command/control guy, but his command doesn't seem to be good
enough for the stuff he's got. We'll see how good Wicks'
command really is, and how consistently so. But hopefully his
stuff will be good enough so that he can win games without being
super-duper-sharp all the time.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: davep Date: July 12, 2021, 12:39 pm
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Craig - I think that the key with Wick is that his strongest
pitch is the change up. Hendricks has shown that you can pitch
extremely effectively with very poor velocity, if you have good
command and an excellent change up. Also, my comparison with
Quintana is based on the assumption that the pitching lab can
NOT increase his velocity. If they can, then we could have
someone special.
I think as with most high pick pitchers, the greatest danger is
with physical problems, not with "stuff problems".
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: JeffH Date: July 12, 2021, 12:41 pm
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56 - James Triantos, HS SS (drafted as a 3B)
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: davep Date: July 12, 2021, 12:42 pm
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Cubs choose James Triantos, high school third baseman.
Expect Bryant to be traded tomorrow.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: craig Date: July 12, 2021, 12:42 pm
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James Triantos, 6'1" HS shortstop who won't stay at SS.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: CurtOne Date: July 12, 2021, 12:53 pm
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[quote author=davep link=topic=580.msg434663#msg434663
date=1626111738]
Cubs choose James Triantos, high school third baseman.
Expect Bryant to be traded tomorrow.
[/quote] Sad, but the sooner we trade the boys, the more we will
get in return. Nobody will pay for a short term rental.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: dallen7908 Date: July 12, 2021, 12:53 pm
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