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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: CurtOne Date: July 14, 2021, 1:45 pm
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to what tune would they be singing them?
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: craig Date: July 14, 2021, 1:48 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=580.msg434813#msg434813
date=1626287369]
You can't compare this to drafts in the past. All major league
teams are limited to only having 180 players, so it is very
unlikely that the Cubs had spots to add 20 players. The
probably took multiple guys without any intention of singing
them.
[/quote]
I'm not sure I understand the details, but I don't see why 180
would make it hard to add 20 players? Notes:
1. The 180 is on domestic rosters. It does NOT include the DSL
guys.
2. So, to me it seems like if you have 4 full-season teams,
each with ≤30 guys, that's ≤120 full-season guys.
That allows ≥60 Mesa guys. Not sure I see a huge problem
with adding 20 guys into the system?
3. I don't know the details.
-For example, googling it, I saw vague reference to 180 guys on
minor league rosters. Would injured guys count against this?
Obviously the majority of Cub top-40-prospect pitchers are
injured, so *if* injurred guys count against the 180, that
pinches the discretionary space.
-likewise I don't know if you can have guys signed to contracts
and throwing at Mesa and in pitch-lab, without counting against
the 180. So, for example, can we sign picks 18-20, but if
they're just throwing on Mesa backfields without playing in any
games, do they count? I don't imagine that any of the drafted
pitchers will actually pitch in box-score games this summer.
4. There are a lot of Latin kids in Mesa. *IF* the 180-space
is getting stressed, I assume some of the Latin kids could
potentially get sent back to the Dominican complex.
So my hypothesis is that teams probably do have space to
accommodate an extra 20 draft picks, *IF* they think Day 3 guys
have any chance.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: craig Date: July 14, 2021, 3:20 pm
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[quote author=chgojhawk link=topic=580.msg434797#msg434797
date=1626272195]
Teo Banks will not be signing. Going to Tulane. This will be an
interesting draft to follow in terms of who signs.
[/quote]
11th rounder Gage Ziehl also says he will not be signing. Going
to Miami.
Maybe being unsignable explains why the 11th/12th rounders
sounded almost too good to be true as signable 3rd day picks!
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: Dave23 Date: July 14, 2021, 3:22 pm
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Great...maybe we can give their money to some more independent
leaguers...
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: Reb Date: July 14, 2021, 3:39 pm
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Or, to Cubs 18th rounder.
BA:
Dominic Hambley
Hambley is a high schooler with arm strength, velocity into the
mid 90s with his fastball, a good curveball, and some strike
zone issues. The 6-foot-2, 230-pound righthander throws his
curveball with some power, and the 18-year-old also has a
slider, and very occasionally will show a changeup, but he’s a
two true outcomes pitcher, racking up both walks and strikeouts.
The raw stuff is there, and will need continued development.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: Reb Date: July 14, 2021, 3:41 pm
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Or, to Cubs 20th rounder.
BA:
Wilson Cunningham
Cunningham is as much of a long-term project as they come. A
6-foot-7 lefthander, Cunningham didn’t play baseball his first
two years of high school and barely pitched the last two years
with top draft prospects Gage Jump and Eric Silva getting most
of the starts for JSerra (Calif.) High. Most of his mound time
came during practices and intrasquad scrimmages, where his long
arms and legs made for uncomfortable at-bats for JSerra’s top
hitters. Cunningham is a long, loose, lanky teenager who
requires a lot of physical projection. His fastball sits 83-85
mph and tops out at 87-88. His curveball and changeup are very
inconsistent and his command is spotty because he lacks
experience. Cunningham is an extremely smart, very mature
individual who was nearly his class valedictorian and is
committed to the University of Chicago. His stuff and command
are nowhere near ready for pro ball, but a patient organization
could bank on his size and makeup eventually paying dividends.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: Reb Date: July 14, 2021, 3:52 pm
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Kantrovitz seems to be saying that expects to sign some of the
HS guys from day 3. From the Trib:
“We were able to take some more risks, and at this point, I’m
not so sure about whether we’re going to sign everybody that we
selected (Tuesday),” Kantrovitz said. “But just based on how the
draft rules work, there’s probably some players that we were
able to take a risk on and kind of shoot for the stars and hope,
and then some others where we have a little bit more cost
certainty that they’re going to sign.”
Seven of the 10 players the Cubs drafted on Day 3 were high
school prospects: five pitchers, an infielder and an outfielder.
“I still don’t believe that we’re going to be in position to
sign all the picks that we took (Tuesday) but certainly a few of
them, and that’s sort of a rare position to be in on Day 3 to be
able to buy a player out of (going to) college and send them
immediately to professional baseball,” Kantrovitz said. “That
was probably a product of our strategy on Day 2.
“If you are strategic about how you’re managing your pool, and
if you have some flexibility going into Day 3, it enables you to
be a little bit more aggressive. We saw the fruits of that play
out (Tuesday).”
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: JeffH Date: July 14, 2021, 4:01 pm
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That seems to suggest that they had a bucket of available money
and a sort-of priority list of which Day 3 guys they wanted to
spend it on.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: craig Date: July 14, 2021, 5:06 pm
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Thanks reb, that's really interesting. As Jeff says, that
sounds like they senior-sign-saved some cash for Day 3. Still
curious that they didn't kinda figure what they had, and talk to
3rd-day picks 1 and 2 before swinging and missing on them. (It
may also be that the Day 3 guys assume they're $125K slot guys;
and maybe if the Cubs show up with $375 instead, Ziehl will
change his mind....).
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: craig Date: July 14, 2021, 5:11 pm
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[quote author=Reb link=topic=580.msg434825#msg434825
date=1626295313]
... Cunningham is a long, loose, lanky teenager who requires a
lot of physical projection. His fastball sits 83-85 mph and tops
out at 87-88. His curveball and changeup are very inconsistent
and his command is spotty because he lacks experience.
Cunningham is an extremely smart, very mature individual who was
nearly his class valedictorian and is committed to the
University of Chicago. ...[/quote]
If Cunningham is big-school valedictorian-almost going to U
Chicago, I'm not sure hanging out for a few years in the minors
as a wildman with 83-85 velocity is a great usage of his
giftings! He might be better served to go to school, have fun
with peers there, hang out with my 6'5" nephew at U Chicago,
study hard, and move on with a successful professional career.
But yeah, if a guy loves baseball and wants to try it while the
opportunity knocks, plus if the Cubs promise to cover college
costs later, then signing could make sense. Could certainly be
a fun project for the pitch-lab boys.
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