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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: Bennett Date: July 13, 2021, 6:53 pm
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Angels 1st to select exclusively pitchers in amateur draft
[quote]The Angels became the first club ever to select
exclusively pitchers over a full amateur draft this week when
they took 20 straight hurlers. The arms race began with Miami
(Ohio) right-hander Sam Bachman at No. 9 overall Sunday and
ended with TCU righty Marcelo Perez in the 20th round on
Tuesday.
[/quote]
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: craig Date: July 13, 2021, 7:47 pm
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Dodgers came close... they maybe took all pitchers for the first
15 rounds or so?
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: chgojhawk Date: July 14, 2021, 9:16 am
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Teo Banks will not be signing. Going to Tulane. This will be an
interesting draft to follow in terms of who signs.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: dallen7908 Date: July 14, 2021, 9:53 am
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: craig Date: July 14, 2021, 10:32 am
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[quote author=craig link=topic=580.msg434742#msg434742
date=1626198502]
I assume the Cubs really don't draft anybody for whom they
haven't called and talked and know they'll sign. So I assume
the three HS picks are guys who will sign, whether for the $125K
slot, or with some additional discretionary cash based on all
the senior signs yesterday. But fun to NOT have ALL of today's
picks be college shots. [/quote]
Didn't take wrong to prove me totally wrong, with 12th-round
Banks giving a decisive answer within half a day.
Seems really weird to me. Katro and his 25 scouts have spent
the last 12 months prepping for these 20 rounds, and you'd had
20 hours with Kantro and 25 other scouts after Monday to be
calling people to double-confirm what your info was. Yet you
didn't bother to call the guy you're picking in round 12?
Variable random possible hypothetical thoughts (I'm not sure I
believe any of them, but I'm wondering...):
1. Kantro and his guys aren't very thorough and didn't have a
very good process? Maybe McLeod was a mediocre
talent-evaluator, but his process had some advantages?
2. Kantro and his guys really aren't very focused beyond the
first three picks? Maybe they figure it's largely random luck
after that, but that the top picks are really where it's all at.
So maybe they just totally focused, focused, focused all of the
25 scouts on guy who'd might be worth top-round picks?
3. Rounds 5-10 had 5 senior signs, almost all ~23 years old.
I'd thought perhaps that might hypothetically save some cash for
some 3rd-day overslot signings. But perhaps that isn't true at
all, and they were picking Banks strictly as a slot guy, not a
guy they might offer 4th-round money for?
4. **IF** they hypothetically weren't saving senior-sign
discretionary cash for 3rd-day guys, that might suggest that
they REALLY liked Triantos and Gray, and were willing to do
whatever it takes to superslot sign them? (Just looking at the
mlb.com draft list, Triantos and Gray were both over-drafts:
Triantos pick 56 was ranged 78, and Gray pick 93 was ranked 179.
Obviously mlb.com aren't the actual 30 scouting directors; but
it may not be obvious that Gray was so superior at 93 to anybody
else available that you'd necessarily need to commit a big
super-slot on him.). So, the Cubs might have dopey scouting, but
there's a chance they really wanted Triantos and Gray a lot,
enough to pay them a lot, and to take any measures needed to
enable that?
5. **IF** the Cubs didn't call Teo Banks before picking him, I
wonder if they hypothetically did so AFTER picking him. If by
evening he already had his decision made, perhaps within an hour
or two of selecting him the Cubs hypothetically already knew
they were NOT getting him? Hypothetically, maybe NOT all of the
senior-sign savings are going to Triantos and Gray, and they DID
have some for 3rd-day picks. Maybe they thought they could talk
Banks into signing; but by the time round 17 was beginning, they
now already recognized that Banks was NOT going to absorb their
discretionary 3rd-day overslot-money. So maybe with overslot
money they'd hoped to use on Banks, maybe that's what prompted
them to use picks 17-20 on four other HS guys? Maybe $400K
discretionary they'd hoped to use to sign Banks to 4th-round
deal, they could not perhaps split up over picks 17-20 and pay
them all at 6th-round kind of deals?
OK, I'm thinking too much.... Will be interesting to see how
the signing bonuses play out. How far overslot will Triantos
and Gray get? How many of the 3rd-day HS picks will sign, and
of those who do will we ever know whether they got overslot at
all?
I'm totally not a Franklin guy, but I wonder if even he might
hypothetically get some overslot, too? I have no interest in
him, peronally; a guy who was already K'ing >1/3 of his AB's in
college, what chance will he have against full-season pitchers?
Much less big-league guys? No chance.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: JeffH Date: July 14, 2021, 10:56 am
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Craig, Dave23 could probably weigh in more heavily on this, but
I wonder if there is some value in drafting a guy that you might
be interested in re-drafting at some future time. Kind of like
the old "draft-and-follow" but without the actual ability to
sign without a re-draft. Relationship building.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: davep Date: July 14, 2021, 12:35 pm
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The Cubs have little to lose with Banks. As long as they come
in with a decent offer, they will part friends as he goes off to
college, and may have started a relationship with him that could
help if they choose to draft and sign him in the future.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: CurtOne Date: July 14, 2021, 1:02 pm
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Is Banks' decision final? He can't change his mind? How long
does he have before his pick is forfeit?
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: craig Date: July 14, 2021, 1:11 pm
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I think this is perhaps a question of whether one perceives 3rd
day picks as having any value in adding potential major-league
players. If the perception is that they are throw-away picks
and you can't get anybody with major-league potential there
anyway, then you have nothing to lose. But *IF* you think you
can get guys who are improbable but are meaningfully possible,
then throwing away a pick on a guy you don't sign is losing a
shot at a possible major leaguer.
It's different than when there were 50 rounds, or before the
spending cap.
It may also depend on how the Cubs view the draft budget-wise.
If they want to bring in all the talent they can get, and are
willing to pay all ten 3rd-day picks the full $125K, (plus
perhaps senior-sign money from Day 2), then it's a lost signing.
But, maybe they're pinching spending and aren't willing to
budget that much anyway? So, if they're only willing to sign a
handful of $.125 Day 3 guys, maybe if #12 won't take one of
those limited offers, they can just offer it to one of the HS
guys taken in rounds 18-20 instead?
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Re: Cubs Draft 2021
By: CUBluejays Date: July 14, 2021, 1:29 pm
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You can't compare this to drafts in the past. All major league
teams are limited to only having 180 players, so it is very
unlikely that the Cubs had spots to add 20 players. The
probably took multiple guys without any intention of singing
them.
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