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#Post#: 30908--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: September 1, 2011, 5:27 pm
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From Barry Rozner article - The next GM doesn't need to
understand the culture. He needs to get rid of terrible
contracts and transparent dogs and get better players who
understand winning and aren't comfortable playing for managers
and GMs who make life so pleasant and relaxed that even in
90-loss seasons, complacent players don't want to leave for a
chance to win a ring.
#Post#: 30918--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: AZSteve
Date: September 1, 2011, 7:17 pm
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break up the country club atmosphere? ridiculous!
#Post#: 30935--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: ben
Date: September 1, 2011, 8:38 pm
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Article on Cubs' website re potential GM candidates includes
Terry Ryan, Rick Hahn and other good ones.
I'm feeling that, without question, we will have a substantial
upgrade.
That's no guarantee of results, but it should help a lot!
A great GM is worth FAR, FAR more than the best free agent!
#Post#: 30982--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: JR
Date: September 2, 2011, 9:17 am
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--- Quote from: ben link ---
>
> I'm feeling that, without question, we will have a substantial
upgrade.
--- End Quote ---
I think there's plenty of question about that. J.P. Ricciardi
coming out of Oakland would have looked like a major upgrade
over Hendry, but he's still the one who gave ridiculous
contracts to Vernon Wells and Alex Rios and never accomplished
much in Toronto. I think Josh Byrnes is a very promising
candidate for the job, but he's also the one who gave Eric
Byrnes a big contract extension and traded off Carlos Quentin in
the process. He got fired in the middle of a 65-97 season after
4 1/2 years on the job. Coming out of very forward thinking
organizations didn't stop either of those guys from showing some
Hendry type mistakes.
This isn't going to be as simple as looking up the Red Sox
directory or hiring someone who graduated from Harvard 10 years
ago. We may hire someone with sterling credentials, a good
educational background, someone with experience in a winning and
forward thinking organization, etc. Still, that's no guarantee
that the new GM won't cave under pressure if there's a fan
favorite like Byrnes that everyone wants to re-sign, that there
might be an Adrian Gonzalez for Adam Eaton trade down the road,
or that we might get saddled with Vernon Wells or Alex Rios
albatross contracts. There's certainly no guarantee that a Red
Sox/Ivy League GM would work as hard as Jim Hendry, develop the
relationships Hendry did, or might be gunshy to make deals while
Hendry was pretty aggressive at making deals.
We need to get this idea out of our heads that hiring some
"smart" sabermetric guy is going to be the answer to all of our
problems and is a guaranteed upgrade over what we had. There
was definite risk in firing Hendry. I think it's a move we
needed to do, but the new guy may not be nearly the upgrade we
think he will be even if he comes in with a sparkling resume and
sparkling credentials.
#Post#: 30991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: Ron
Date: September 2, 2011, 9:45 am
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JR is a killjoy.
#Post#: 30998--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: September 2, 2011, 10:42 am
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--- Quote from: JR link ---
>
> I think there's plenty of question about that. J.P. Ricciardi
coming out of Oakland would have looked like a major upgrade
over Hendry, but he's still the one who gave ridiculous
contracts to Vernon Wells and Alex Rios and never accomplished
much in Toronto. I think Josh Byrnes is a very promising
candidate for the job, but he's also the one who gave Eric
Byrnes a big contract extension and traded off Carlos Quentin in
the process. He got fired in the middle of a 65-97 season after
4 1/2 years on the job. Coming out of very forward thinking
organizations didn't stop either of those guys from showing some
Hendry type mistakes.
>
> This isn't going to be as simple as looking up the Red Sox
directory or hiring someone who graduated from Harvard 10 years
ago. We may hire someone with sterling credentials, a good
educational background, someone with experience in a winning and
forward thinking organization, etc. Still, that's no guarantee
that the new GM won't cave under pressure if there's a fan
favorite like Byrnes that everyone wants to re-sign, that there
might be an Adrian Gonzalez for Adam Eaton trade down the road,
or that we might get saddled with Vernon Wells or Alex Rios
albatross contracts. There's certainly no guarantee that a Red
Sox/Ivy League GM would work as hard as Jim Hendry, develop the
relationships Hendry did, or might be gunshy to make deals while
Hendry was pretty aggressive at making deals.
>
> We need to get this idea out of our heads that hiring some
"smart" sabermetric guy is going to be the answer to all of our
problems and is a guaranteed upgrade over what we had. There
was definite risk in firing Hendry. I think it's a move we
needed to do, but the new guy may not be nearly the upgrade we
think he will be even if he comes in with a sparkling resume and
sparkling credentials.
>
--- End Quote ---
One of the better and more sober posts on the issue I have seen
in some time.
#Post#: 31024--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: bistro
Date: September 2, 2011, 11:51 am
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--- Quote from: JR link ---
>
> I think there's plenty of question about that. J.P. Ricciardi
coming out of Oakland would have looked like a major upgrade
over Hendry, but he's still the one who gave ridiculous
contracts to Vernon Wells and Alex Rios and never accomplished
much in Toronto. I think Josh Byrnes is a very promising
candidate for the job, but he's also the one who gave Eric
Byrnes a big contract extension and traded off Carlos Quentin in
the process. He got fired in the middle of a 65-97 season after
4 1/2 years on the job. Coming out of very forward thinking
organizations didn't stop either of those guys from showing some
Hendry type mistakes.
>
> This isn't going to be as simple as looking up the Red Sox
directory or hiring someone who graduated from Harvard 10 years
ago. We may hire someone with sterling credentials, a good
educational background, someone with experience in a winning and
forward thinking organization, etc. Still, that's no guarantee
that the new GM won't cave under pressure if there's a fan
favorite like Byrnes that everyone wants to re-sign, that there
might be an Adrian Gonzalez for Adam Eaton trade down the road,
or that we might get saddled with Vernon Wells or Alex Rios
albatross contracts. There's certainly no guarantee that a Red
Sox/Ivy League GM would work as hard as Jim Hendry, develop the
relationships Hendry did, or might be gunshy to make deals while
Hendry was pretty aggressive at making deals.
>
> We need to get this idea out of our heads that hiring some
"smart" sabermetric guy is going to be the answer to all of our
problems and is a guaranteed upgrade over what we had. There
was definite risk in firing Hendry. I think it's a move we
needed to do, but the new guy may not be nearly the upgrade we
think he will be even if he comes in with a sparkling resume and
sparkling credentials.
>
--- End Quote ---
Amen JR.
#Post#: 31027--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: September 2, 2011, 11:55 am
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Oh, way to go, bistro, now we'll never get rid of him...
#Post#: 31029--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: ticohans
Date: September 2, 2011, 11:58 am
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JR is on the money
#Post#: 31031--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: September 2, 2011, 11:59 am
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Of course he is, tico, but don't TELL him.
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