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       #Post#: 35594--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: AZSteve
       Date: September 29, 2011, 11:01 am
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       I don't pretend to be as saavy as some here  with regards to
       where changes are to be made with the on-the-field talent but I
       would hold out the hope that there is a player whose
       offensive/defensive are better than A-Ram and can be had w/o
       selling the farm in the bargain...just sayin'
       #Post#: 35599--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: StrikeZone
       Date: September 29, 2011, 11:28 am
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       --- Quote from: AZSteve link ---
       >
       > I don't pretend to be as saavy as some here  with regards to
       where changes are to be made with the on-the-field talent but I
       would hold out the hope that there is a player whose
       offensive/defensive are better than A-Ram and can be had w/o
       selling the farm in the bargain...just sayin'
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       There isn't anyone in the same ballpark as Aramis Ramirez
       offensively that is on the market to my knowledge.
       He is far and away the best hitter at that position and the Cubs
       would need to upgrade probably three other positions in order to
       replace his production.
       #Post#: 35602--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: Clarkaddison
       Date: September 29, 2011, 11:30 am
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       If Aram goes, it's guaranteed that Soriano stays.  Probably Pena
       as well.
       #Post#: 35603--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: StrikeZone
       Date: September 29, 2011, 11:32 am
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       --- Quote from: Clarkaddison link ---
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       > If Aram goes, it's guaranteed that Soriano stays.  Probably
       Pena as well.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Which also guarantees another horrible finish next season.
       Both of those guys will be older, their bat speed will continue
       to decline and in Soriano's case, his speed and defense will get
       even worse (if you can imagine that).
       #Post#: 35604--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: brjones
       Date: September 29, 2011, 11:35 am
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       I think there is virtually no chance Soriano is back, and I
       don't think the Ramirez decision has any impact on Soriano.
       #Post#: 35608--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: Clarkaddison
       Date: September 29, 2011, 12:07 pm
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       Soriano has a bad rap.  Sure, his wheels are gone and he's a
       lousy defender.  But he had nearly 90 rbi's from the 6 hole.
       That's more than Pena had hitting cleanup.  If Aram walks, where
       does the Cubs' power come from?  And who will eat the $50
       million or so left on Sori's contract?
       Like it or not, he's back.  Let's make the best of it.
       #Post#: 35611--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: brjones
       Date: September 29, 2011, 12:25 pm
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       All RBIs tell us is that Soriano had runners on in front of him.
       Next to pitcher W/L record, I don't know if there's a stat that
       tells us less about a player's ability.
       Soriano finished with a .289 OBP.  That is brutal.  I know some
       people argued this his ability to slug offset that OBP earlier
       in the year...but that was when his SLG was in the mid-.500s.  A
       SLG of .469 does not offset the OBP.  Soriano is also a terrible
       defender and baserunner.  He's going to continue to decline.
       The Cubs could go out on the free agent market and find half a
       dozen guys who sign for less than $2 million this offseason who
       would provide at least as much value as him.
       Soriano should be gone, and he likely will be.
       #Post#: 35612--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: Deeg
       Date: September 29, 2011, 12:30 pm
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       If we can get Theo and Francona tomorrow, do it.  Strike while
       the Boston seat is hot.  We may never get another chance like
       this one.  However, I suspect Ricketts may favor other
       candidates because he plans to try and win on the cheap -
       something Beane and Friedman can make a case they've done
       before.
       #Post#: 35613--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: CurtOne
       Date: September 29, 2011, 12:42 pm
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       As I see it, between Zambrano and Soriano, we can afford to eat
       only one salary.  Right now that appears to be Z, but if we can
       trade him to, say, Miami, that actually might allow us the
       necessary breathing room to eat Soriano's salary.  We might be
       able to dump both without eating more than the equal to one of
       their salaries, but I just don't see us eating both and eating
       both salaries.
       #Post#: 35614--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Next GM for the Cubs
   DIR By: Jes Beard
       Date: September 29, 2011, 12:42 pm
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       And if the Cubs do that, or make any efforts to seriously turn
       the team around in 2012, it will be sacrificing longterm for the
       sake of the short term.
       But, what the heck, that approach worked so well going from 2006
       to 2007, why not try it again?
       This is why I have said the team needs to openly and publicly
       announce a rebuilding plan where the team will pay no attention
       at all to the W/L record for at least the first two years.  It
       is routinely going to be tempting to any team with financial
       resources to dip into the FA market or to make trades of
       contracts instead of talent in order to make a quick
       improvement.  But such improvements are virtually certain to be
       very short term, and to cause even greater problems in later
       years.... like we have been seeing for a while now.
       Eliminate the temptation.
       Write off 2012 and 2013.  It should have been done before this
       season started.  But it wasn't, meaning a serious rebuilding
       effort would still leave the team two years away from being at a
       point where it even might make any sense to start focusing on
       the team's record.  If it had been done at the end of the 2006
       season, the Cubs would be loaded with productive talent now, and
       have several promising years ahead of us.... instead of being
       where the team now is.
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