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#Post#: 29888--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: craig Date: August 25, 2011, 12:09 pm
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[quote author=brjones link=topic=57.msg29880#msg29880
date=1314288682]
If Sandberg felt like he didn't get a real shot, then that tells
me that his ego or sense of entitlement is out of control. At
least IMO. Very few managers are in the major leagues after 4
years of minor league managing experience and no major or minor
league coaching experience. If it takes less time than that,
it's usually someone who had been pegged as a future manager
since he was a 24 year old rookie player (Girardi, Scioscia).
I only know what's in the press, obviously...so maybe there was
more behind the scenes. But I think it's probably easier to
argue that Sandberg didn't even deserve the token interview he
got than it is to argue they didn't give him enough
consideration. Most managers with 4 years experience (who had
also never shown serious interest in coaching before he got his
first managing job) wouldn't even get a sniff from a major
league team.
[/quote]
I agree with this entirely. Everybody is unique, and perhaps
there are some extraordinary qualities that Sandberg has that
make him freakishly qualified. But to get even an interview
only four years into a coaching/managing career is extraordinary
indeed. To expect to not only be interviewed but to also be
hired, that's pretty amazing. No idea what or why he would be
so exceptionally qualified that he'd be the best candidate.
Perhaps he is, of course, what do I know.
It would be surprising, though, since he never was a very good
interview or was particularly articulate as a player. Since
communication skills are probably pretty important for a
manager, I'd think he'd start out with a strike against him. So
to be a supreme manager candidate after only four years despite
that would require being a pretty extraordinary teacher and
leader and scout and decision-maker in other ways. Maybe he is,
beats me.
#Post#: 29891--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: Clarkaddison Date: August 25, 2011, 12:25 pm
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My choices:
1. Hahn. He knows Chicago, has 9 years with a successful
organization, gets the SABRmetrics approach to baseball
2. Friedman. Has done lots with little, although he had the
advantage on high draft choices early on.
3. The Red Sox asst GM.
No on Cashman. He's had unlimited $$$ to work with.
No on Colletti. He's Hendry lite.
#Post#: 29894--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: Reb Date: August 25, 2011, 12:39 pm
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Agree on Colletti. He is the least attractive candidate of
those mentioned in the basebal media.
Billy Beane would be fun, but I'd like to hire one of the young,
smart candidates out there.
#Post#: 29897--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: JeffH Date: August 25, 2011, 12:42 pm
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Where does Byrnes fit in for you, Clark?
#Post#: 29898--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: Jes Beard Date: August 25, 2011, 12:50 pm
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[quote author=Ron link=topic=57.msg29884#msg29884
date=1314289812]
Sandberg seems like a very unusual, perhaps even unique, case.
He's a Hall of Famer whose entire major league career was with
the Cubs, and someone who is known for his devotion to "playing
the game the right way." How may HOFers have ever managed in
the minors, for one year, much less four? I have no idea.
Hendry told him to go get minor league managing experience in
order to prove he could manage. And his record managing in the
minor leagues has been very good, at least, it seems to me. If
he was told, as one interview said, that he wasn't even in the
top several candidates being seriously considered, from his
point of view, I can see why he would not only be disappointed,
but perhaps feel a bit disrespected.
Hendry has always been someone who valued lots of experience.
Maybe four years in the minor leagues just didn't rate high
enough for serious considerations, when compared to guys with
major league experience and even Quade who had lots more years
in the managing and coaching trenches than Sandberg.
[/quote]
I think Ron pretty much nails it.
I am not saying that Sandberg should have been hired to manage
the Cubs this year, but Sandberg appears to be quite sincere
about his desire to manage the Cubs, and if his dealings with
Hendry caused him to believe that he never would get that shot
from Hendry, or at least not any time in the reasonable future,
it is perfectly understandable that he left, and also
understandable that with Hendry gone he might return.
I don't recall Sandberg ever trashing Hendry (or anyone), or
ever even saying anything particularly negative about him, but
simply indicating that he felt the way he was handled when the
Cubs were looking for a permanent manager last fall made him
feel Hendry would never have him manage in Wrigley.
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Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: Jes Beard Date: August 25, 2011, 12:53 pm
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[quote author=brjones link=topic=57.msg29859#msg29859
date=1314278866]
if (Sandberg's) ego/sense of entitlement about the manager's job
is so big that he can't get along with one of the most popular
guys (personality wise) in professional baseball, that doesn't
give me much hope that he'd be successful at managing the people
side of a major league team.
[/quote]
[quote author=brjones link=topic=57.msg29880#msg29880
date=1314288682]
If Sandberg felt like he didn't get a real shot, then that tells
me that his ego or sense of entitlement is out of control.
[/quote]
Going to the minor leagues for four years, when he was
financially secure and had no need to return to baseball, and
certainly could have done so somewhere as a coach in the majors,
does not shout of a "sense of entitlement."
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Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: ben Date: August 25, 2011, 3:14 pm
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Billy Beane has significant equity in the A's...don't know why
he's been mentioned as a possibility for our next GM.
I'll agree that Freidman and Hahn both appear very interesting
and a major upgrade!
#Post#: 29936--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: CurtOne Date: August 25, 2011, 3:15 pm
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Just askin'. How have Beane's teams done since they cracked
down on roids? Just askin'.
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Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: brjones Date: August 25, 2011, 3:28 pm
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I don't think steroids are to blame for Beane's loss of
competitiveness. Sure, he had some high profile steroids
suspects when they were competing (Giambi and Tejada), but it
was the loss of Hudson, Mulder, and Zito that killed that team.
He hasn't been able to build a competitive team since they left.
Plus, as usual, I'm going to point out that (A) we don't have
any idea how much steroids help (but there is good reason to
think it is less than is generally assumed), and (B) the decline
in offense was small after drug testing began until they got
serious about amphetamines. Then offense crashed.
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Re: Next GM for the Cubs
By: CurtOne Date: August 25, 2011, 4:30 pm
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[quote author=craig link=topic=57.msg29888#msg29888
date=1314292180]
I agree with this entirely. Everybody is unique, and perhaps
there are some extraordinary qualities that Sandberg has that
make him freakishly qualified. But to get even an interview
only four years into a coaching/managing career is extraordinary
indeed. To expect to not only be interviewed but to also be
hired, that's pretty amazing. No idea what or why he would be
so exceptionally qualified that he'd be the best candidate.
Perhaps he is, of course, what do I know.
It would be surprising, though, since he never was a very good
interview or was particularly articulate as a player. Since
communication skills are probably pretty important for a
manager, I'd think he'd start out with a strike against him. So
to be a supreme manager candidate after only four years despite
that would require being a pretty extraordinary teacher and
leader and scout and decision-maker in other ways. Maybe he is,
beats me.
[/quote]
Ah yes. All those years spent in the minors by Girardi,
Piniella, Dusty Baker, Don Baylor, Terry Francona, Bob Brenly,
Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa. Sorry, I forgot. Fact is, few with
Ryno's pedigree even look to manage, knowing it's a thankless
job. Both of your arguments may have merit, but all I was
pointing out is that there was something...perhaps something
that Sandberg learned that he wasn't supposed to know or some
agreement between the two men that was broken...we don't know,
but clearly Sandberg is glad Hendry is gone. Just as some
wanted to deify Jimbo when he came on board as gm, some want to
deify him in departure. There are lots thankful that he's gone.
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