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#Post#: 417248--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '21
By: craig Date: October 10, 2020, 12:22 pm
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[quote author=davep link=topic=566.msg417240#msg417240
date=1602343469]
ArizonaPhil speculated that the Front Office may try to bring
back Quintana for 8 million per year, or another lefty for a
similar price. ...[/quote]
Theo loves Q, so maybe he'd spend that much. But I'd think
you'd not need to spend nearly that much for him.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Ron Date: October 10, 2020, 1:58 pm
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I'm not so sure that Theo "loves Q." I think he's acknowledged
that Quintana has not produced the way he was expected to at the
time of the trade, and beyond that, he's not about to criticize
his players in public.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Deeg Date: October 10, 2020, 7:22 pm
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I love Theo, and what he did getting the Cubs to the top in 2016
was obviously great. But in viewing his moves since then as a
collective body of work, is there any way to judge it as
anything but pretty much a disaster? If Hoyer means more of the
same, I'm not sure I want him handed Theo's job on a silver
platter.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: CUBluejays Date: October 12, 2020, 10:02 am
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I can't remember if it was Sharma or Mooney, but they brought up
the point that the FO was retooled last year along with the
player development changes. Unless their was something that
changed in 2020 for the Ricketts family Hoyer is getting Theo's
job. If you weren't looking to keep Hoyer, you wouldn't let
them redo everything in 2019.
They did say that there wasn't an obvious choice for the GM role
in the Cubs org when Harris left and all the guys that the
D-Backs took. Maybe the can bring Porter back or they go
outside the Theo tree to bring in some different voices.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Reb Date: October 12, 2020, 11:35 pm
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Cubs will pick at #21 in the 2021 draft.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Reb Date: October 16, 2020, 2:50 pm
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So, AZ Phil says virtual lock that Schwarber will be
non-tendered, if not traded.
But, Sharma/Mooney think Schwarber likely will be tendered and
that now is not the time to be traded. Will be interesting to
see who turns out to be correct.
Sharma/Mooney:
Schwarber is widely respected as a hard worker and a good dude
in the clubhouse and one of the most clutch postseason hitters
in franchise history. That means the Cubs will likely tender a
contract and Schwarber will get a final year in the arbitration
system. It’s unclear if there ever was an ideal time to move
Schwarber — given all the extreme highs and lows in his career —
but it definitely isn’t now (after posting a .701 OPS in 59
games).
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: brjones Date: October 16, 2020, 3:17 pm
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[quote author=Reb link=topic=566.msg417578#msg417578
date=1602877838]
It’s unclear if there ever was an ideal time to move Schwarber —
given all the extreme highs and lows in his career — but it
definitely isn’t now (after posting a .701 OPS in 59 games).
[/quote]
This is such a bad position to take, IMO. Almora, Russell,
Montgomery, and Edwards all had pretty good value after 2017,
and still had some (but less) value after 2018. But there wasn't
an "ideal time" to move any of them. So the front office just
kept on holding out hope that the time would come. But it never
came, and instead of getting 75% of the return they wanted, all
those guys eventually combined to give the Cubs one week of
Martin Maldonado as a backup catcher, then a couple months of
Tony Kemp.
At some point, you have to accept that value isn't coming back
and you have to just accept whatever other teams are offering.
And if you can't trade him, I'm pretty sure it won't be hard for
a "cash strapped" team to replace a .701 OPS on far less than $8
million in the COVID-offseason free agent market.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: craig Date: October 16, 2020, 4:16 pm
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Yeah, I kind of agree, br. There's never really an ideal time
to trade somebody, it seems. Big-spending team like the Cubs
never wants to trade guys when they're good. And then they
never want to trade guys after they've had bad years and their
market is down. If you don't want to trade down-value guys, and
you don't want to trade good performers, who exactly is that you
ever want to trade?
From a different perspective, the ideal time to trade people is
if your scouting is smart enough to know that a guy's present
market value is higher than his future performance will justify.
You'll get more value by trading him now than by keeping him.
Theo has consistently over-valued his personnel, demanding more
value in trade than other GM's are willing to pay, or than the
players have subsequently produced on the field.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Ron Date: October 16, 2020, 5:33 pm
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[quote author=Reb link=topic=566.msg417578#msg417578
date=1602877838]
So, AZ Phil says virtual lock that Schwarber will be
non-tendered, if not traded.
But, Sharma/Mooney think Schwarber likely will be tendered and
that now is not the time to be traded. Will be interesting to
see who turns out to be correct.
Sharma/Mooney:
Schwarber is widely respected as a hard worker and a good dude
in the clubhouse and one of the most clutch postseason hitters
in franchise history. That means the Cubs will likely tender a
contract and Schwarber will get a final year in the arbitration
system. It’s unclear if there ever was an ideal time to move
Schwarber — given all the extreme highs and lows in his career —
but it definitely isn’t now (after posting a .701 OPS in 59
games).
[/quote]
The fact that this is not the ideal time does not mean it's not
the necessary time, given the realistic options. I did not read
this statement by Sharma or Mooney (whomever wrote it) as a
prediction that Schwarber won't be traded. I would be very
surprised if they don't attempt to do so (though if he isn't
traded, I suppose we'll never know whether they tried).
#Post#: 417594--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '21
By: Reb Date: October 16, 2020, 6:08 pm
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Apparently, Cubs have seen enough and have decided today to get
this guy ON OUR SIDE, for a change.
From Cubs transaction page at MLB.com:
Chicago Cubs signed free agent LHP Angel Hernandez to a minor
league contract
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