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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Deeg Date: October 6, 2020, 5:20 pm
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Major changes. This time for sure. For sure.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: CUBluejays Date: October 9, 2020, 8:40 am
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Kaplan suggested that the Cubs lost $200 million this year. No
idea if that is $200 million in revenue or an actual loss.
Mooney/Sharma/Taylor suggested that Hoyer is likely taking over
Theo’s spot but it isn’t a guarantee. They thought this was
mostly likely because of all the player development changes last
year. There isn’t a standout for Jed’s replacement though. They
also ruled out the Cubs spending money in free agency.
Mooney basically said they are going to bring everybody back and
minor league free agents.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Ron Date: October 9, 2020, 9:30 am
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I am curious how Mooney (or Sharma) would know exactly what the
Cubs are going to do. I doubt that the Cubs know what they are
going to do at this point.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: CUBluejays Date: October 9, 2020, 10:00 am
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The rumor is that the Cubs have to cut 25% off of the payroll.
If they bring everybody back then that is $8-10 million left to
spend.
They are very sure that expensive free agents where not an
option.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: CurtOne Date: October 9, 2020, 11:07 am
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Free expensive? Oxymoron
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Ron Date: October 9, 2020, 11:42 am
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=566.msg417180#msg417180
date=1602255647]
The rumor is that the Cubs have to cut 25% off of the payroll.
If they bring everybody back then that is $8-10 million left to
spend.
They are very sure that expensive free agents where not an
option.
[/quote]
I get that, but that's not the same as bringing everybody back.
I'd be surprised if there is not an effort to avoid doing that.
Who knows what trade options will be in this highly uncertain
period, but I expect they will make every effort to make changes
through trades.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: CUBluejays Date: October 9, 2020, 11:57 am
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[quote author=Ron link=topic=566.msg417184#msg417184
date=1602261744]
I get that, but that's not the same as bringing everybody back.
I'd be surprised if there is not an effort to avoid doing that.
Who knows what trade options will be in this highly uncertain
period, but I expect they will make every effort to make changes
through trades.
[/quote]
They tried last year as well. Now the guys they want to trade
are coming off a bad season with only 1-2 years of control left
with expensive contracts. Throw in every team dealing with
COVID money issues and I don't think there will be much of
market.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Ron Date: October 9, 2020, 12:14 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=566.msg417185#msg417185
date=1602262660]
They tried last year as well. Now the guys they want to trade
are coming off a bad season with only 1-2 years of control left
with expensive contracts. Throw in every team dealing with
COVID money issues and I don't think there will be much of
market.
[/quote]
That's a very reasonable assessment. But in the immortal words
of Gust Avrakotos, "We'll see." (Charlie Wilson's War)
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: craig Date: October 9, 2020, 3:02 pm
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Thanks, Blue. Those ballpark numbers, $200M loss, 25% payroll
reduction, those are helpful round numbers. I get that they
aren't perfect, but $200M versus $500M, that's helpful. I'm
guessing the Cubs will have lost more than some teams, because
our payroll is 2nd in league and top-5 in the game. (Most teams
have leaner front-offices, too.).
I'm pretty encouraged by the -25% payroll rumor. I'd feared it
might need to be way more severe than that. The idea that we
can just let the expirings expire, and bring back the core for
another shot, is also encouraging. I'd thought we might need to
be releasing some from the Bryant/Baez/Schwarber group, since
they don't have guaranteed salaries. Pleasant surprise if their
is still so much budget willingness to pay salaries of their
magnitude, or pay equivalent money to other players.
Not sure that a rotation with Mills locked in as #3, Alzolay as
#4, and Colin Rea and Tyson Miller competing for the 5th spot
isn super exciting or a real world-series contender. But if
it's major change we want, committing to mills-Alzolay-Rea could
provide change. :):):).
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: craig Date: October 9, 2020, 3:18 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=566.msg417185#msg417185
date=1602262660]
They tried last year as well. Now the guys they want to trade
are coming off a bad season with only 1-2 years of control left
with expensive contracts. Throw in every team dealing with
COVID money issues and I don't think there will be much of
market.
[/quote]
I agree, I can't really imagine guys like Bryant, Baez, or
Schwarber having any significant trade value. Assuming
everybody else lost $150-200M, how many teams are going to be
trading valuable prospects to voluntarily take on $18+ Bryant
unnecessarily? Or .238-OBP Baez? Might be some
bad-contract-for-bad-contract exchanges, though.
I've got to assume it's going to be kinda rough for free agents.
And that other teams might be releasing high-salaried arb guys,
rather than paying them. So, perhaps releasing Bryant and
freeing up his $18M to invest in other ways might be pretty
wise.
I still suspect some of the arb guys may agree to reduced-dollar
deals. For example, might Bryant be better off agreeing to $14
from Cubs; getting a year to rebuild his stature entering a
hopefully non-Covid FA; and stay home with his Cubs friends?
Rather than refusing to back off of $18+, getting released, and
finding no FA market from $200M-loss teams.
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