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#Post#: 416749--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '21
By: Cletus Date: October 4, 2020, 3:13 pm
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If someone has to make a sacrifice to keep Baez or Bryant in
Chicago, why should it be the player and not the owner? The
marginal value of those extra millions is so much greater for
the player than the billionaire owner. It is absolutely a
pro-owner point of view to say that the player should make a
little less. Why doesn’t anyone ever ask the owners to make a
little less to keep the team together?
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Ron Date: October 4, 2020, 3:53 pm
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[quote author=Jack Birdbath link=topic=566.msg416749#msg416749
date=1601842413]
If someone has to make a sacrifice to keep Baez or Bryant in
Chicago, why should it be the player and not the owner? The
marginal value of those extra millions is so much greater for
the player than the billionaire owner. It is absolutely a
pro-owner point of view to say that the player should make a
little less. Why doesn’t anyone ever ask the owners to make a
little less to keep the team together?
[/quote]
As I tried to say in my post, when there is an annual budget
(which every team is going to have), the issue is not simply one
of whether the owner or the individual should get the difference
in millions. Every million spent on one player within that
budget affects how much is available for other players, whether
they be current players or players who could be acquired through
free agency or trades.
The issue of how much an owner should devote to the player
budget - that's another issue - one that is itself worthy of
discussion. But not every comment about an individual's
decisions about how they handle free agency and competing
salaries is about the conflicting interests of players and
owners. And this one was not about that.
#Post#: 416751--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '21
By: Cletus Date: October 4, 2020, 4:06 pm
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Budgets are flexible. The team could sacrifice some of their
operating profit if they wanted to keep the player.
#Post#: 416778--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '21
By: Ron Date: October 4, 2020, 7:45 pm
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[quote author=Jack Birdbath link=topic=566.msg416751#msg416751
date=1601845588]
Budgets are flexible. The team could sacrifice some of their
operating profit if they wanted to keep the player.
[/quote]
Well, sure, up to a point, and we'd all like to see that.
Although I doubt that even the most virulent critics of the
Ricketts family would claim that the Cubs have any profits from
this season. In any event, the Cubs have three key players whose
contracts end after next season. At least two of those are going
to be very demanding in their financial expectations. Not to
mention the other salary increases that will be needed for
current roster guys, the other needs the Cubs will have or the
financial realities this financially damaged season and the
uncertainty of what next season will look like.
#Post#: 416832--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '21
By: Bennett Date: October 5, 2020, 5:18 pm
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Continued from Today's Game
[quote author=brjones link=topic=554.msg416827#msg416827
date=1601930450]
I think there's very little chance of Bryant being a Cub past
next year. He's had nagging injuries in three straight seasons,
and he has been bad when he has tried to play through them.
Players who start getting hurt a lot in their 20s usually
continue to get hurt in their 30s. He just hasn't been healthy
enough to justify paying him into his mid-late 30s.
I'd be shocked if they non-tendered him. But I wouldn't be
surprised if the front office decides to trade him for
underwhelming return because they feel they're better off having
his money available to spend somewhere else. Same with
Schwarber.
[/quote]
Tommy Hottovy has received applause for the success of the
pitching staff.
So, looking at the lack of success of the hitters, why hasn't
the name of the hitting coach, Anthony Iapoce, ever come up?
#Post#: 416833--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '21
By: Playtwo Date: October 5, 2020, 5:22 pm
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Multiple hitting coaches have failed using different approaches
with this group. It seem fanciful to think that finding the
right hitting coach is the key to success.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Bennett Date: October 5, 2020, 5:28 pm
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[quote author=Playtwo link=topic=566.msg416833#msg416833
date=1601936530]
Multiple hitting coaches have failed using different approaches
with this group. It seem fanciful to think that finding the
right hitting coach is the key to success.
[/quote]
Iapoce has had the job for two seasons of less than sterling
performance.
#Post#: 416835--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '21
By: craig Date: October 5, 2020, 5:51 pm
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I expect he'll be canned, Theo likes to hire a new hitting coach
every year or two. But the odds that a new hitting coach will
fix much remains doubtful.
I do recall think Iapoce's original message surprised me.
Seemed his original message when he came over for 2019 was to
tell Almora, Baez, Schwarber, Happ, Bryant, and Russell that you
were a top-10 draft pick and a top prospect for a reason; let it
rip and don't worry about mechanics or strikeouts or launch
angle. Baez for one seemed to have gone back to his rookie
approach this year.
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Re: Cubs in '21
By: Deeg Date: October 5, 2020, 6:18 pm
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When management has no resources (and possibly no clue how) to
fix the problem, firing the hitting coach is the obvious step.
It's cheap and makes it look as if you're doing something.
#Post#: 416883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '21
By: Ron Date: October 6, 2020, 2:13 pm
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One never knows about these things, particularly given the vast
financial uncertainty facing all clubs for next season. But the
Cubs do seem to clearly see this next season as a transition so
I expect to see some meaningful changes, assuming the
opportunities are there.
I am looking forward to someone doing an analysis of the likely
status of Cub salaries next year, given that they will
presumably reducing the total due to the loss of Quintana
($10.5m this season), Chatwood ($13m), Lester ($20m, with $10m
buyout for '21).
I am guessing that the Cubs will try hard to trade Schwarber
($7m) and very possibly Bryant ($18.6m) as well, and that there
will be other lesser salaries gone such as Almora gone too. I'm
guessing they will not try to trade Baez, although if they
cannot reach a long term deal, maybe he'll be available as well.
Same with Contreras?
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