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#Post#: 389171--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '20
By: CUBluejays Date: October 3, 2019, 10:09 am
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[quote author=craig link=topic=546.msg389164#msg389164
date=1570107632]
1995/mid-90's is the typical definition. Cubs don't have any
young talent and obviously have an older team, so Hoerner is the
only "Gen Z" on this roster. But yeah, baseball-wise guys who
are old fossils who are retiring are formally millenials.
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Millenials are 1981 to 1996.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: davep Date: October 3, 2019, 10:13 am
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[quote author=JR link=topic=546.msg389138#msg389138
date=1570076905]
I'm rooting for Girardi myself. He's a smart guy, been part of
a winning culture and a winning organization for a long time,
averaged 91 wins a year and won a World Series as a manager,
etc. I think a change in the relatively laid back Maddon
culture would be a good thing, and I think Girardi could bring
it.
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Isn't Maddon a smart guy, and hasn't he been part of a winning
culture and a winning organization for a long time? I don't
know if he has averaged 91 wins over the course of his career,
but he certainly has bettered that number during the 5 years
with the Cubs. I haven't officially verified it, but I believe
that Maddon has won a World Series as a manager.
Whoever we bring in, we will either win immediately with him,
and ultimately the new manager will be fired, or we will
immediately lose with him, and ultimately the new manager will
be fired. And I personally do not believe that which manager is
chosen will have much effect on which of the two alternatives
result.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Playtwo Date: October 3, 2019, 10:31 am
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I think Curt has identified a number of issues with the Cubs
over the past couple of years, and the right manager is one who
is well equipped to help correct these problems while also being
a strong motivator. If Girardi is such a guy, I would hire him
without much concern about possible friction with the front
office.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: BearHit Date: October 3, 2019, 10:35 am
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That manager may not exist - players can collectively decide how
things will go
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: CUBluejays Date: October 3, 2019, 10:58 am
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[quote author=Playtwo link=topic=546.msg389173#msg389173
date=1570116666]
If Girardi is such a guy, I would hire him without much concern
about possible friction with the front office.
[/quote]
What if the biggest issue was because Maddon was ignoring
important data from the FO?
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: CurtOne Date: October 3, 2019, 11:01 am
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I think it may have been more that Maddon was inconsistent on
his own rules, depending on the player. I don't know.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: BearHit Date: October 3, 2019, 11:10 am
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Maybe Maddon knew that the pitching staff was not going to
dominate - and the offense cannot score 8 runs every game
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: CUBluejays Date: October 3, 2019, 11:10 am
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I was unaware Maddon had rules.....
If you read what is coming out from Sharma the Cubs realllly
value coaches that work closely with the FO and they want to
integrate that up from the minors to major league teams. It is
what the Astros, Yankees, Dodgers, Twins, etc... are doing.
Refocusing the players is going to be part of the managers
responsibility, but integrating the data for the players is a
much bigger piece of the puzzle.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: BearHit Date: October 3, 2019, 11:11 am
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How awesome is Davey Martinez that he resurrected the Nats
bullpen form losers to winners
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Playtwo Date: October 3, 2019, 11:18 am
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I'm not necessarily advocating for Girardi. But I wouldn't
assume that he couldn't work well with a Theo-led front office
just because he didn't get along well with Cashman.
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