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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Ron Date: October 3, 2019, 12:13 am
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craig - That part of the press conference got my attention as
well. Seemed very cryptic. No idea what he was talking about
though.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Deeg Date: October 3, 2019, 12:56 am
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[quote author=JR link=topic=546.msg389138#msg389138
date=1570076905]
I'm rooting for Girardi myself. He's a smart guy, been part of
a winning culture and a winning organization for a long time,
averaged 91 wins a year and won a World Series as a manager,
etc. I think a change in the relatively laid back Maddon
culture would be a good thing, and I think Girardi could bring
it.
Honestly I'm fine that he's not a walking version of Fangraphs
or Baseball Prospectus. I think teams or managers can be too
over analytical with that.
He's pretty much already what you hope David Ross turns into if
Ross begins a managerial career. Ross would be fine by me, by
the way, but Girardi's proven, already been well tested and
wouldn't need any on the job training.
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I don't know if I'm ready to say Girardi is my #1 choice, but
the overwhelming negativity towards him baffles me. He's not
anti-advanced stats, he's got a hell of a track record as a
manager (as measured both by wins/losses and managerial
"advanced stats") and he has a history with the organization.
If you want to change the culture in the clubhouse and maximize
chances of getting back to the WS in this window, you could make
a damn good case Girardi gives you a better shot than any of the
rookies for whom the training would be on-the-job.
My gut still tells me that Ibanez is the guy to watch, and there
are other names who haven't been discussed much (like Farrell)
who have a shot. But I think Girardi is very much in the mix
for Theo, and if he had reason to think otherwise he'd already
be managing somewhere else.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Reb Date: October 3, 2019, 1:35 am
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[quote author=Ron link=topic=546.msg389143#msg389143
date=1570079629]
craig - That part of the press conference got my attention as
well. Seemed very cryptic. No idea what he was talking about
though.
[/quote]
My guess is that there was some kind of club effort last
off-season to get some players to step up and take more of a
clubhouse leadership role for 2019—that didn’t really happen.
Context of Theo’s remarks are about leadership. Must include
dealing with Russell’s issues, among other things. Maybe
teammates got involved. Theo says confidential, behind the
scenes, so by definition we’re not supposed to know. But Theo
could not be more clear regarding greater accountability for
mistakes in 2020 and that probably includes players of course
and ways to get them more involved in fixing things internally,
I would think.
Regarding the manager, If Girardi wants the job he ought to stop
lobbying for the position with Chicago media, which won’t
impress Theo. Suggests to me that Girardi probably isn’t getting
any feedback from within the Cubs and wants to keep his name
alive from the outside. Good luck with that. Doubt that he’ll be
a serious candidate, but who knows.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Deeg Date: October 3, 2019, 2:32 am
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Yeah, he should do like Ross and lobby through the national
media.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: chgojhawk Date: October 3, 2019, 6:23 am
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Girardi has teenagers. His oldest may even be in his early 20s
now. I’m sure he is familiar with millennials.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: method Date: October 3, 2019, 7:33 am
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[quote author=chgojhawk link=topic=546.msg389153#msg389153
date=1570101832]
Girardi has teenagers. His oldest may even be in his early 20s
now. I’m sure he is familiar with millennials.
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That would make his kids post millennials... Believe it or not
the entire generation of millennials can now drink legally.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Playtwo Date: October 3, 2019, 7:37 am
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I thought those born in the 90's were considered to be
millennials.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: craig Date: October 3, 2019, 8:00 am
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1995/mid-90's is the typical definition. Cubs don't have any
young talent and obviously have an older team, so Hoerner is the
only "Gen Z" on this roster. But yeah, baseball-wise guys who
are old fossils who are retiring are formally millenials.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: CurtOne Date: October 3, 2019, 10:02 am
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A lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that when Theo is
talking about accountability and stuff that he's referring to
Russell. He might be, but I doubt it. Everything I've read is
that Russell has done almost everything the FO asked him to do.
I think there's something else going on. Backstabbing, missing
signals, swinging for the fences with winning run at third and
one out, being clueless about game situations in one's hitting
approach, nursing injuries...there's more to it.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: CUBluejays Date: October 3, 2019, 10:06 am
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[quote author=chgojhawk link=topic=546.msg389153#msg389153
date=1570101832]
Girardi has teenagers. His oldest may even be in his early 20s
now. I’m sure he is familiar with millennials.
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Cashmen disagrees.
HTML https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/sports/baseball/yankees-manager-search.html
"Girardi’s inability to communicate well with an increasingly
young clubhouse was the primary factor that led to his
dismissal, General Manager Brian Cashman said Monday."
"Cashman, who dismissed reports that hinted at increasing
friction between him and Girardi this season or that Girardi did
not work well with the analytics staff, also said that Girardi’s
managerial gaffe in the postseason — neglecting to call for a
replay challenge that may have prevented a loss to the Cleveland
Indians in Game 2 of an American League division series — had
nothing to do with his ouster."
Corey Freedman
@CFCubsRelated
The issue isn’t not using metrics. The binder thing was real.
The issue was him not listening to the front office whenever he
felt like it.
The two entities have to be in sync with one another. Having a
manager who disregards your R/D department on a whim is a NO
from me, dog
The above guy does the Cubs related podcast and was an intern
with the Yankees FO when Girardi was there. Girardi is just a
rehash of Madden with a different approach. That isn't the way
that the game is going.
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