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#Post#: 389115--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '20
By: Bennett Date: October 2, 2019, 6:40 pm
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If fan favorite Ryne Sandberg was told to get some minor league
managerial experience, why wouldn't that apply to David Ross as
well?
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Deeg Date: October 2, 2019, 6:42 pm
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[quote author=Bennett link=topic=546.msg389115#msg389115
date=1570059654]
If fan favorite Ryne Sandberg was told to get some minor league
managerial experience, why wouldn't that apply to David Ross as
well?
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Because the Cubs never wanted Sandberg as their manager but
wanted to find a way not to have to say that outright?
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Ron Date: October 2, 2019, 7:16 pm
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[quote author=Deeg link=topic=546.msg389116#msg389116
date=1570059768]
Because the Cubs never wanted Sandberg as their manager but
wanted to find a way not to have to say that outright?
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There was also a different GM then (Jim Hendry).
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: JeffH Date: October 2, 2019, 7:48 pm
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[quote author=Ron link=topic=546.msg389117#msg389117
date=1570061762]
There was also a different GM then (Jim Hendry).
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I don't think so. Theo was already in place.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: brjones Date: October 2, 2019, 7:54 pm
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Sandberg’s last year managing in the Cubs system was 2010.
Hendry gave Quade the full time job over Sandberg.
Theo probably wouldn’t have even gone through the motions of
letting him manage in the minors.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Ron Date: October 2, 2019, 11:17 pm
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I’ve always been kind of fond of Joe Girardi. He always seemed
like a smart guy and there was something about him that made me
fond of him. There was a time, under Hendry, that I would have
loved to have had Girardi manage the Cubs. However, since Theo
took over the Cubs’ and brought a very different approach to the
organization and the team, I’ve believed that Girardi is not a
good match for the team. My general impression has been that
he's too old school for this organization. But I want to be open
minded, and I listened to today’s Dave Kaplan interview with
Girardi.
HTML https://art19.com/shows/cubs-talk-podcast/episodes/1ceb1f2d-03ed-4b38-85b3-933520351461
Among Girardi’s comments were that he’s always been a “big
believer that numbers tell a story over time,” as someone
trained to be an engineer, he’s always used numbers a lot. He
said as a manager, he did everything analytically, using
instinct sometimes, but numbers don’t lie over time. He said
that now you have a lot of people looking more deeply into
stuff, and that you want that information in front of you to
help you prepare and make decisions.
I think that’s all pretty believable and a good point in his
favor. The fact that he was reputed to have problems
communicating with younger players on the Yankees (if true, but
who knows?) certainly is not in his favor.
He also talked about the importance of having a culture of
accountability in the clubhouse – I think he emphasized the
players role in that.
I’m still skeptical that he’s the guy Theo will want, but I
recognize that my perspective is very, very limited on Girardi’s
managerial approach and on how Theo views, or will view him if
he is a candidate.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: JR Date: October 2, 2019, 11:28 pm
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I'm rooting for Girardi myself. He's a smart guy, been part of
a winning culture and a winning organization for a long time,
averaged 91 wins a year and won a World Series as a manager,
etc. I think a change in the relatively laid back Maddon
culture would be a good thing, and I think Girardi could bring
it.
Honestly I'm fine that he's not a walking version of Fangraphs
or Baseball Prospectus. I think teams or managers can be too
over analytical with that.
He's pretty much already what you hope David Ross turns into if
Ross begins a managerial career. Ross would be fine by me, by
the way, but Girardi's proven, already been well tested and
wouldn't need any on the job training.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: Dave23 Date: October 2, 2019, 11:35 pm
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The job has been Girardi’s destiny since the day Darryl Kile
died.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: CUBluejays Date: October 2, 2019, 11:53 pm
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If they hire Girardi hopefully they kept a copy of Millennials
for Dummies.
If you want to catch the Dodgers or Astros you need to pretty
much have somebody that can take the analytics digest it and
spit it out to their players in terms that they can use and be
on the same wave length as the front office. That isn’t Girardi.
Cashmen when he fired him said he couldn’t connect to the
players. He was rumored to ignore the stuff that the front
office was giving him analytics wise. The Cubs just walked away
from a guy who mixed old school with analytics and had trouble
connecting with younger players. You guys really want to do that
again?
My favorite millennial philosopher, “Let the past die, kill it.”
That is a recipe for more third place finishes.
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Re: Cubs in '20
By: craig Date: October 2, 2019, 11:55 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIxIOvBKn0
Going back to Theo's press conference, at ~19:00. I was really
interested and somewhat clueless about what Theo is talking
about.
"There were real efforts made last offseason, real um
unconventional methods, methods that never want to have to do
again to be honest with you to try to reach guys, and they were
coming from the players, as well, players identified areas of
concern, areas where we needed to try to do things differently.
And there was good healthy conversation about that. The vast
majority of it remained confidential, behind the scenes, I think
there was good intentions and good effort, but in in the end
that kind of change is really difficult especially with
tremendous continuity, and I think that's one of the reason were
really embracing a lot of change now."
Any ideas what he's talking about and what any of this means?
1. He refers to "guys", plural. So, apparently not just
Addison's deal.
2. "To try to reach guys" is pejorative. Is he thinking
baseball skills, here? (Edwards' weird pitch delivery? Happ to
the minors?) Mechanical baseball things? Or off-field
behaviors (wine women and song)? Non-game skills-improvement
commitments? Things related to "dominating the strike zone" or
lack thereof? Interpersonal conflicts within the team? Team
stuff, wanting more scheduled practices together or team
building together activities? Is he "trying to reach" players,
or coaches?
3. "there was good intentions, but that kind of change is
really difficult". Again, hard to know whether that's practice
habits, problems with alcohol consumption, situational swing
adjustment, whether it's about holding more team practices, or
whether it's mechanical adjustments needed for the Edwards and
Happs of the team?
4. "Unconventional methods... that never want to have to do
again to be honest with you".
Just curious if you guys had thoughts on that bit?
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