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#Post#: 360884--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next manager?
By: ben Date: October 24, 2018, 8:12 am
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95 wins is VERY hard to achieve! We tied for the MOST wins in
the NL, despite SO many things going wrong (e.g. nothing from
Darvish, nothing from our closer in the 2nd half, relatively
little from Bryant).
We've averaged about 97 wins per season and made the playoffs in
EACH season during Joe's tenure...and there's that thing about
leading the team to end the longest drought in the HISTORY of
sports!!
With the benefit of hindsight, one can nitpick ANY manager for
in-game moves, but in-game managerial decisions aren't the most
important contribution for a MLB manager...over 162 games, the
key question is: can the manager get a group of HUMAN BEINGS
ready to play anywhere near their best on a consistent basis?
The team's record - the ultimate measuring stick - certainly
suggests Joe has been terrific EACH year! That there's any
debate about whether he should stay on seems rather absurd IMHO.
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Re: Next manager?
By: Deeg Date: October 24, 2018, 8:46 am
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Next year is going to tell the tale, because there was a lot to
suggest Joe lost the clubhouse this season, and clearly Theo is
not wholly satisfied with the current state of the team. Letting
a manager go into a lame duck season is not generally a huge
sign of confidence.
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Re: Next manager?
By: Ron Date: October 24, 2018, 9:19 am
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[quote author=Deeg link=topic=524.msg360885#msg360885
date=1540388779]
Next year is going to tell the tale, because there was a lot to
suggest Joe lost the clubhouse this season, and clearly Theo is
not wholly satisfied with the current state of the team. Letting
a manager go into a lame duck season is not generally a huge
sign of confidence.
[/quote]
I obviously missed some things. Can you give specifics on how
there was a lot to suggest Joe lost the clubhouse?
#Post#: 360892--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next manager?
By: CurtOne Date: October 24, 2018, 9:37 am
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I think this board should be the new manager. We can vote as a
group on every move. The lineup. Pitching changes. Pinch
hitters. Infield alignment. From what I've read on here, we'd
go 162-0. If there were any losses, we could blame Deeg. But,
regardless, we'd have a lot less bitching if it was our
decisions.
#Post#: 360901--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next manager?
By: BearHit Date: October 24, 2018, 10:32 am
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Re: Next manager?
By: Deeg Date: October 24, 2018, 4:43 pm
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We've had two straight seasons where the intensity level dropped
so much that even Theo felt the need to publicly comment about
it. Ignore that if you want, but it doesn't change reality.
The ice is thin and the lack of an extension speaks volumes.
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Re: Next manager?
By: ben Date: October 24, 2018, 7:20 pm
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Maybe we will win miss the playoffs next season, Joe will have
difficulties leading the Team that he hasn't had to this point,
and it will make sense to bring on another manager.
However, that's not the case yet, so Joe will be back as manager
next year.
Clearly, Theo expects more in 2019, which is fine. If Joe and
the Cubs deliver, Joe will likely get extended. If not, it
won't surprise me to see Cubs go another direction...but we
aren't there yet.
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Re: Next manager?
By: Deeg Date: October 24, 2018, 7:35 pm
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I suspect, fair or not, from the front office side they’d expect
another trip to the World Series next year if they’re going to
retain Maddon.
But you know, everyone assumes Joe will want to extend and talks
about Theo’s desire to have a manager who’ll listen to him. But
it seems entirely possible that Joe might be ready to work with
a less tenured and credentialed F.O., where he can throw his
weight around more. Joe’s not a young man and if he sees himself
taking one more managing job, it has to be soon. It’s entirely
possible that both sides may just decide it’s time for a change.
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Re: Next manager?
By: Ron Date: October 24, 2018, 7:56 pm
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Anything is possible.
Some things are more likely than others though. None of us is
in a position to be certain about which scenarios are more
likely. In the wordss of Gust Avrakotos, "we'll see."
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Re: Next manager?
By: JeffH Date: October 24, 2018, 8:11 pm
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It's certainly possible that there will be a mutual decision to
part ways, but I cannot imagine any scenario in which Theo has
the chutzpah to dismiss Joe after the utterly abysmal 2017-2018
offseason that the front office had.
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