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#Post#: 359758--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next manager?
By: Dave23 Date: October 3, 2018, 9:26 pm
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The topic is perhaps dead only if you believe Joe wouldn’t leave
under his own volition...
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Re: Next manager?
By: CUBluejays Date: October 3, 2018, 9:37 pm
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[quote author=brjones link=topic=524.msg359747#msg359747
date=1538613973]
This team doesn't have a "best eight" to play throughout the
season...they have a "best four" and a bunch of players who are
good in the right situation. So Maddon has to use them the way
he does.
[/quote]
This is true for the Red Sox, Dodgers, and Yankees as well...
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Re: Next manager?
By: Deeg Date: October 3, 2018, 9:54 pm
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[quote author=Dave23 link=topic=524.msg359758#msg359758
date=1538619965]
The topic is perhaps dead only if you believe Joe wouldn’t leave
under his own volition...
[/quote]
That's an interesting point. Given Maddon's history he'd
certainly be tempted if the Angels came a'callin. And the
chance to manage Trout and Otani would seem to hold a certain
appeal.
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Re: Next manager?
By: Dave23 Date: October 3, 2018, 10:29 pm
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My thinking as well...
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Re: Next manager?
By: CurtOne Date: October 3, 2018, 10:37 pm
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[quote author=CurtOne link=topic=524.msg359672#msg359672
date=1538587369]
Why are we speculating that they would fire Joe? I was actually
thinking Joe may wish to leave. I think he was frustrated a lot
this year, as well as getting some reported heat from on high on
some things. The Angel job could appeal to him.
[/quote]I thought somebody already said that so I went looking.
Sheesh.
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Re: Next manager?
By: Deeg Date: October 3, 2018, 11:08 pm
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[quote author=CurtOne link=topic=524.msg359765#msg359765
date=1538624258]
I thought somebody already said that so I went looking. Sheesh.
[/quote]
See, where you went wrong is assuming anyone reads your posts...
#Post#: 360847--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next manager?
By: davep Date: October 23, 2018, 10:29 am
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[quote author=JR link=topic=524.msg359731#msg359731
date=1538604931]
That's kind of where I disagree with some about Girardi not
being a good culture change. It might be time for us to swap
out of pajama parties on the plane and stuff like that and have
someone who's not as carefree about things.
But we're obviously not making a change, so moot point. It's
not like changing managers would make that much of a difference
anyway.
[/quote]
I agree that a change is not likely. However, as far as
changing the culture is concerned, Billy Martin made a career
out of changing the culture of teams, with great (temporary)
success. Quite often, a team that has become too comfortable
with itself responds rapidly and positively to an authoritarian
manager. The success only lasts about 3 or 4 years before it
falls apart, but it can be good while it lasts.
#Post#: 360865--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next manager?
By: craig Date: October 23, 2018, 3:55 pm
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I think there are some people who are good and will be no matter
how long they stay. Always good communicators, always good
decision-makers, and always with the gift of recognizing +
hiring good people. The qualities that work first year continue
to pay off forever. That may be Maddon.
But sometimes, there can be value in change-for-change sake. A
new voice, I think you tend to wake up and pay attention? Even
if the new voice is essentially saying the same thing but in a
somewhat different way? Second, sometimes a new voice does have
something different to say, some different insights. Maybe guys
have learned everything the first guy has to teach; but a new
guy might offer something new?
That said, *if* you do bring in a new voice, comparison is
inevitable. If the new voice is dumber than the old voice, guys
will notice. If the new voice is more boring, guys will notice.
I appreciate change-for-change sake, to keep things fresh, and
to bring in different insights and perspective. But if you do
make a change, it's pretty bad news to bring in somebody who's
worse. Huge opportunity to have players and media compare
unfavorably.
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Re: Next manager?
By: Jes Beard Date: October 23, 2018, 7:58 pm
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What reason is there to believe there is any need for
"change-for-change sake" with the Cubs?
Given the injuries and struggles some players had on the Cubs, I
don't look at 2018 as a failing by Maddon in any way.
It seems to have been a remarkably successful year for him.
#Post#: 360883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Next manager?
By: Playtwo Date: October 24, 2018, 7:31 am
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One could argue that Maddon had major responsibility for the
Strop injury (which likely cost the Cubs the Division). And one
could question whether his loose approach to the clubhouse might
have contributed to some of the disappointing performances. My
own opinion is that Maddon is unorthodox but very effective, and
I have no desire to see him replaced in 2019 (and I would be
fine with him being extended for a few more years).
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