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Re: Next manager?
By: BearHit Date: October 3, 2018, 1:04 pm
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or sweet retirement...
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Re: Next manager?
By: CUBluejays Date: October 3, 2018, 1:33 pm
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Shortest thread ever?
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Re: Next manager?
By: Deeg Date: October 3, 2018, 4:36 pm
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[quote author=JR link=topic=524.msg359653#msg359653
date=1538583204]
Is this something that's a real possibility? You have to tip
your hat to Maddon for the most successful stretch of baseball
the Cubs have had since I've been alive, but I wonder if a
change would do us some good.
The way Joe manages a pitching staff in the postseason drives me
nuts by the way.
[/quote]
The way he manages it in the regular season doesn't??
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Re: Next manager?
By: brjones Date: October 3, 2018, 4:46 pm
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Theo's press conference makes it clear this is a non-story.
Unless something really unexpected happens, Maddon is the
manager next year.
Also sounds like there won't be many (if any) coaching changes.
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Re: Next manager?
By: craig Date: October 3, 2018, 5:04 pm
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[quote author=CUBluejays link=topic=524.msg359658#msg359658
date=1538584609]Maddon has given the Cubs a distinct culture.
Bringing in Girardi would destroy that.....[/quote]
Maddon isn't going, obviously. So this thread is probably dead.
But I do wonder if some Cubs might not benefit from a different
culture. This is the only one most of the younger ones have
ever experienced.
I've mentioned this before, but sometimes change-for-change sake
is good?
Sometimes having a new voice is good?
Is it possible that the Cubs players have a culture of "we're so
cool; we're so good; we're so fun; we're too cool to stress
about losing; we're too cool to work too hard; staying cool is
better than practicing too much..."?
Then Theo talks about lacking urgency and intensity.
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Re: Next manager?
By: Dihard Date: October 3, 2018, 5:15 pm
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I get the sense some of the players (Rizzo, Heyward, Lester,
Zobrist) create a pretty intense, work-hard, professional
culture. And David Ross certainly did. I don't think that's
the issue.
In the years I've been on this board (almost 20 now), we've
never had a manager everyone was happy with. (Anyone want to
trade Maddon for anyone else we've had in recent memory?) Joe
absolutely drives me crazy sometimes, especially with his
pitching changes and bullpen usage. But overall, I think he's
one of the smartest guys out there (that alone pretty much
negates the Dusty Baker comparison for me), his players seem to
love playing for him, and he's achieved some pretty incredible
results, this year included, IMHO. I'm glad to hear he'll
(likely) be back.
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Re: Next manager?
By: JR Date: October 3, 2018, 5:15 pm
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[quote author=craig link=topic=524.msg359727#msg359727
date=1538604270]
Maddon isn't going, obviously. So this thread is probably dead.
But I do wonder if some Cubs might not benefit from a different
culture. This is the only one most of the younger ones have
ever experienced.
I've mentioned this before, but sometimes change-for-change sake
is good?
Sometimes having a new voice is good?
Is it possible that the Cubs players have a culture of "we're so
cool; we're so good; we're so fun; we're too cool to stress
about losing; we're too cool to work too hard; staying cool is
better than practicing too much..."?
Then Theo talks about lacking urgency and intensity.
[/quote]
That's kind of where I disagree with some about Girardi not
being a good culture change. It might be time for us to swap
out of pajama parties on the plane and stuff like that and have
someone who's not as carefree about things.
But we're obviously not making a change, so moot point. It's
not like changing managers would make that much of a difference
anyway.
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Re: Next manager?
By: Playtwo Date: October 3, 2018, 6:37 pm
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I'm not blaming Maddon, but it's notable that the approach of
giving players lots of time off early in the season didn't seem
to help much when we ran into that long string of games late in
the season. I like taking advantage of roster flexibility, but
perhaps there needs to be a slight course correction towards
playing your best eight throughout the season.
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Re: Next manager?
By: brjones Date: October 3, 2018, 7:40 pm
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Shifting the culture is fine. But Girardi and Maddon seem to be
polar opposites in their styles. It's hard to imagine such a
drastic change going smoothly. Some guys would be fine--I'm sure
Lester would love playing under Girardi, for example. But I bet
Girardi's style would clash pretty hard with how guys like Baez,
Contreras, and even Rizzo like doing things.
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Re: Next manager?
By: brjones Date: October 3, 2018, 7:46 pm
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[quote author=Playtwo link=topic=524.msg359738#msg359738
date=1538609855]
I like taking advantage of roster flexibility, but perhaps there
needs to be a slight course correction towards playing your best
eight throughout the season.
[/quote]
But that goes back to roster construction. When Bryant is
healthy, the Cubs have three guys who are good enough to be
everyday players--Rizzo, Bryant, and Baez. And Contreras is as
much an everyday guy as a catcher can be. And those guys play
pretty much every day.
But the other four spots rotate not just because Joe is keeping
them fresh...but because the players just aren't good enough all
around to start everyday. Zobrist is old and needs rest;
Schwarber and Heyward can't hit lefties; Almora can't hit
righties. Russell just isn't that good at hitting anyone over
the last two seasons. Bote's bat is still a question mark; La
Stella is bad at everything but hitting singles.
This team doesn't have a "best eight" to play throughout the
season...they have a "best four" and a bunch of players who are
good in the right situation. So Maddon has to use them the way
he does.
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