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#Post#: 360178--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: guest61
Date: October 11, 2018, 7:42 pm
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#Cubs source says that player exit-interview feedback against
Chili Davis was "too strong to ignore," and it "would have been
counterproductive" to go into next season with him.
#Post#: 360179--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: brjones
Date: October 11, 2018, 8:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
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> One element that’s intriguing in all this is, how could the
Cubs screw up this badly with Davis? Did Maddon push hard to
get Mallee fired and Davis hired, as some have reported? If so
this is another indication that things between he and the front
office are continuing to sour.
>
--- End Quote ---
I haven’t seen any reports that Maddon really pushed this. My
impression has always been that the decision to get Davis came
more from the front office than from Maddon.
#Post#: 360180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: October 11, 2018, 8:12 pm
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Maddon does like going the other way on offense. I think it was
a combo of the front office buying into situational hitting
being a problem, strike outs etc...
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Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 11, 2018, 8:30 pm
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--- Quote from: brjones link ---
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> I haven’t seen any reports that Maddon really pushed this. My
impression has always been that the decision to get Davis came
more from the front office than from Maddon.
>
--- End Quote ---
There were plenty of reports. One thing that's indisputable is
that Theo (with quite notable unambiguity) said *Any coach Joe
wants back will be back.", and a few days later Mallee was
fired.
#Post#: 360186--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: craig
Date: October 11, 2018, 10:00 pm
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--- Quote from: brjones link ---
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> Chili Davis has been fired.
>
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Wow. Didn't take long, I guess.
#Post#: 360187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: davep
Date: October 11, 2018, 10:25 pm
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I think that someone said that Bryant has three more years
before he becomes a free agent. If that is true, it makes the
contract offer substantially different than I first thought. I
never saw specifics reported, but lets take numbers at random.
Lets say that he plays for the Cubs for the next 3 years, and
earns through arbitration 14, 17 and 20 million each year. At
age 29, he might then get a 7 year contract at 30 million per
year and hit the free agent market again at age 36.
On the other hand, if he gets a contract now from the Cubs for
years at AAV of 30 million per year, that means he will get an
extra 39 million dollars over the next three years, and hit the
free agent market again at age 33. No matter what the actual
numbers are, that has to be a difficult thing to pass up.
#Post#: 360189--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: craig
Date: October 11, 2018, 10:47 pm
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--- Quote from: DUSTY link ---
> #Cubs source says that player exit-interview feedback against
Chili Davis was "too strong to ignore," and it "would have been
counterproductive" to go into next season with him.
--- End Quote ---
Interesting.
Certainly deeg you're right; easy to fire a coach, and to tell
yourself that the talent you've assembled is better than it's
performed, and that a new coach is going to bring it out.
But the limits that Schwarber, Happ, Heyward and Russell have to
try to work around are probably pretty much beyond coaching.
Even so, I'm glad they made the move. The offense was poor and
got worse.
And the prioritization on opposite-field seemed excessive and
counterproductive. A guy like Russell isn't going to hit the
ball square very often at all; but you'd think using the whole
field would make sense, including left. Not using opposite
field is a problem, obviously, but not sure why not using the
pull side is any less so?
Think it's good that if a mistake was made, that they move on.
(Unfortunately lots easier to move on from a coaching mistake
than from a Chatwood mistake.....)
But yeah, Theo was a huge opposite-way guy. IN his press
conference, in addition to talking up the first half (when
Almora was excellent and Heyward was hot) as if that's what
should be true always, he also was all positive about the
increase in opposite-field hitting.
So I suspect Theo and Maddon were mutual drivers to want
opposite field and to get an opposite-field hitting coach.
#Post#: 360191--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: Deeg
Date: October 11, 2018, 11:18 pm
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I don't think they had a choice in making the move - the results
speak volumes. I just think the whole fiasco reflects badly on
Joe, Theo and the organization. And firing the scapegoat is the
easy part. The hard part is finding the right replacement, and
the harder part is if you do that and it still doesn't fix the
problem. Then there's no option but to look at the players -
and the mirror.
#Post#: 360192--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: DelMarFan
Date: October 11, 2018, 11:42 pm
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--- Quote ---
> My impression has always been that the decision to get Davis
came more from the front office than from Maddon.
--- End Quote ---
This is what I read.
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Re: Cubs in '19
DIR By: craig
Date: October 12, 2018, 7:29 am
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I agree with that, Davis seemed primarily a Theo guy more than
Maddon.
In his press conference, Theo said that he'd been a hard worker.
Heh heh, kinda faint praise, seemed pretty evident he was going
to be replaced.
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