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#Post#: 12877--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: Playtwo
Date: June 3, 2011, 7:07 pm
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--- Quote from: StrikeZone link ---
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> I think I would prefer Josh Bell to Mahtook because Bell looks
to project to become a middle-of-the order hitter that switch
hits as opposed to yet another right-handed bat.
>
> Even though Bell is coming out of high school and Mahtook is a
college hitter, I think Bell is the guy I would take, simply
from the scouting reports I've read on both of them.
>
> However, Bell is reportedly demanding big money, which will
probably make the Cubs run away screaming.
>
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Bell plays a mean fiddle.
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Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: JR
Date: June 3, 2011, 8:05 pm
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He's definitely not very "cublike" and that's prolly best
compliment I can pay him.
Don't worry, Oneri and the rest of our minor league development
team will get him playing like a Cub in no time.
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Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: craig
Date: June 3, 2011, 9:35 pm
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Mahtook sounds good, because it sounds like he's a hitter first
who also plays a nice outfield. We've got Jackson, Szczur, Ha,
Na, and Silva all angling for CF. We don't have to get a CF in
this draft. And a good defensive LF would help, too. So if
he's a good hitter, and he's a 15-20 guy rather than top 10
because he's an uncertain CFer rather than because he's an
uncertain hitter, I'd be more than happy to consider him.
That said, I'll be totally astonished if it's either Mahtook or
Springer. I totally don't think they are guys we'll take.
One comment on Wilken's bats: With the exception of his first
and most infamous pick Colvin, I think his tendency has been to
go for contact hitters. He's taken a lot of contact hitters who
have proved out to hit pretty well for contact. Clevenger,
Vitters, Lemahieu, Barney, Cerda, Szczur, Guyer, Josh Harrison,
Ty Wright. A high ratio of position players taken in the upper
rounds have been contact-first hitters, with speed and power
secondary. Colvin, of course, has been an exception. Obviously
four K-kings are Jackson, Tony Thomas, Colvin, and it appears
that Reggie Golden's swing is also full of holes and that he's
going to bust. (Based on Az Phil stuff, he looks like he's
k'ing continuously against these teenage Dominican pitchers.)
But I think in general he's got a fairly good eye for contact
hitters, and a seeming tendency to value them.
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Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: Ron
Date: June 3, 2011, 9:47 pm
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According to one source, the Nationals are "zoning in" on Bubba
Starling. Another source speculated that Starling could go as
early as #2.
I don't know anything except what I read about the various
potential draftees, and what I've read about specific players
varies somewhat, depending on who the source is. But Starling
seems to be a guy that should please Cub fans if he is available
to the Cubs (and supposedly the Cubs love him). Springer gets
very strong reviews from some people, with the one caveat
seeming to be his Ks. Mahtook seems to have made a real leap
during this season, and from the more recent evaluations, he
seems very promising, with less risk than Springer.
While I know there are some here who are probably going to be
unhappy with whomever the Cubs draft, I'm curious what who
others who follow this stuff much more closely than I do are
hoping for ... and why.
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Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 3, 2011, 9:54 pm
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
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> it appears that Reggie Golden's swing is also full of holes
and that he's going to bust. (Based on Az Phil stuff, he looks
like he's k'ing continuously against these teenage Dominican
pitchers.)
>
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Just means we have some top flight Dominican pitchers there.....
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Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: Cubsin
Date: June 3, 2011, 9:59 pm
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I'm concerned that the Cubs' performance this season and the
resulting decline in attendance could lead to severe budget
limitations for the 2011 draft, possibly even less than we spent
in 2010. The draft and kids from the Far East, South America,
Australia and the Carribean would have been a much better way to
spend the millions they've wasted on Pena.
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Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: Chris27
Date: June 3, 2011, 10:13 pm
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--- Quote ---
> The draft and kids from the Far East, South America, Australia
and the Carribean would have been a much better way to spend the
millions they've wasted on Pena.
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Yes, H-J Lee seems to be legit. A good find there.
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Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: craig
Date: June 3, 2011, 11:23 pm
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jes, just so you know, Corey, Prior, Sisco, Brownlie,
Samardzija, Harvey, Pawalek, these were NOT budget-induced
signability picks. For most if not all of Hendry's 15 years
overseeing the draft, the draft has been given a pretty hefty
budget. I don't think blaming the success with top picks on a
small draft budget is even remotely close to being true.
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Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: craig
Date: June 3, 2011, 11:35 pm
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--- Quote from: Ron link ---
>
> According to one source, the Nationals are "zoning in" on
Bubba Starling. Another source speculated that Starling could
go as early as #2.
>
>
> I don't know anything except what I read about the various
potential draftees, and what I've read about specific players
varies somewhat, depending on who the source is. But Starling
seems to be a guy that should please Cub fans if he is available
to the Cubs (and supposedly the Cubs love him). Springer gets
very strong reviews from some people, with the one caveat
seeming to be his Ks. Mahtook seems to have made a real leap
during this season, and from the more recent evaluations, he
seems very promising, with less risk than Springer.
>
>
> While I know there are some here who are probably going to be
unhappy with whomever the Cubs draft, I'm curious what who
others who follow this stuff much more closely than I do are
hoping for ... and why.
>
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I don't know much more than you do, since all I do is read some.
It sounds like there is a lot of talent in this year's draft.
Everybody evaluates differently, of course, but I'd be surprised
if at least one of the players who didn't sit in the top six of
Wilken's BPA list wouldn't still be available at 9. I think he
ought to be able to get somebody he likes an awful lot.
The only one I'd be really upset with would be Springer. If
you're already striking out 27% of your AB's against college
pitchers, I don't see why it's realistic to see that reduce
against pro pitchers. Their is a little SS who I'd be not very
interested in, either, since we've got Castro at SS, with
Barney/Lemahieu/Flaherty all in the mix for 2B. So drafting for
a defense-first guy who's a #2/#7/#8-spot hitter doesn't make
sense to me.
I assume there's a pretty good chance we'll take a gifted
pitcher, and he'll look good for a while. But as with Cashner
and Wood and Prior and Pawelek, and Brownlie and Noel and
Garland and Sisco and Shafer, there aren't a lot of 1st/2nd
round pitchers who stay healthy and throw as hard and healthy
and fast five years after they are drafted. They often look
like excellent talent evaluations for a couple of years, but you
don't know how long it will take to lose 5 mph or need surgery.
But hopefully this will be the year that a hitter can actually
hit and do so with some power, or a gifted pitcher will remain
gifted beyond just his minor league career but for at last a
couple of big-league seasons too. Maybe even a lot of
big-league seasons...
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Re: 2011 Draft
DIR By: Reb
Date: June 3, 2011, 11:52 pm
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Here's BA Jim Callis' latest mock draft from today:
9. CUBS: Bank on a high-ceiling player for Chicago. The Cubs
have little chance to get Bundy or Starling, but they likely can
pick between the next-best high school arm (Archie Bradley) or
overall athlete (Connecticut outfielder George Springer) in the
draft.
Projected Pick: Archie Bradley.
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