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2011 Draft
By: CurtOne Date: May 31, 2011, 4:33 pm
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Go for it.
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Re: 2011 Draft
By: fredr Date: May 31, 2011, 4:35 pm
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Theres a big dude in NC thats kind of a sleeper E Cunningham,
remember the name!
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Re: 2011 Draft
By: Reb Date: May 31, 2011, 4:49 pm
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Aside from the OF picks that have not panned out, there are the
pitcher picks of course.
In the last 20 drafts, aside from the great picks that got hurt
and the unknown Simpson and the sandwich picks that did not pan
out, there is: Pawelek, Brownlie, Christensen, Noel, Jayson
Peterson, Ratliff, and Derek Wallace.
Maybe, at this point, we should forget about the history and
just deal with the new guy on his own merits.
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Re: 2011 Draft
By: Clarkaddison Date: May 31, 2011, 4:56 pm
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At least Stockstill isn't doing the drafting any more.
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Re: 2011 Draft
By: Reb Date: May 31, 2011, 4:58 pm
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Kind of an interesting report on George Springer. You can see
the risk with this guy too.
HTML http://tigers.scout.com/2/1074509.html
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Re: 2011 Draft
By: JeffH Date: May 31, 2011, 5:00 pm
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We're certainly due for some good luck.
How about this?
Cubs draft Starling and he hits like Miguel Cabrera and fields
like Torii Hunter
Justin Bour comes out of nowhere to be a .290/.380/.560 guy
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Re: 2011 Draft
By: Reb Date: May 31, 2011, 5:01 pm
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Somebody has hijacked Jeff's account.
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Re: 2011 Draft
By: Chris27 Date: May 31, 2011, 5:52 pm
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David Rawnsley:
[quote]Using the standard 20-80 baseball scouting scale (50
being major-league average), I would grade out Starling’s five
basic tools as follows, based on observing him for five days at
last summer’s Area Code Games (the grades reflect future grades
only):
HITTING (60). This is the biggest question that scouts have
about Starling, but he showed little or no problem in Long Beach
handling either quality off-speed stuff or high-velocity
fastballs, and made necessary adjustments with each at-bat. Bat
speed is not an issue.
POWER (70). It’s not in the Josh Hamilton or Eric Hosmer realm
at the same age, but the swing, leverage and pure bat speed are
all there. This grade measures his degree of raw power, but most
often the tool is a by-product of the hitting tool.
SPEED (70). Starling is probably a 60 runner (above average)
from home to first, and could be an 80 runner in the outfield
and on the bases. He has an easy stride and has that extra gear
when underway that could lead to him leading a league in triples
one day.
ARM (70). Some scouts at the Area Code Games were still
believing that Starling was a better pitching prospect than
position prospect as he threw his fastball at 90-92 mph, with
little more knowledge of pitching than stepping and throwing. He
didn’t pitch this spring, and probably never will again.
DEFENSE (80). Starling has Gold-Glove caliber tools in center
field and gets exceptionally good jumps on balls hit in his
direction. This part of the game comes very easy to him.
Cumulatively, those numbers grade out to an OFP (overall future
potential) score of 70, a level that maybe one or two players in
any draft will reach. If I was writing a report on Starling for
a major-league club, I would probably be inclined to drop that
grade by a couple of points, to a 67 or 68, because of some of
the uncertainty in his hitting tool.
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Re: 2011 Draft
By: Jes Beard Date: May 31, 2011, 6:08 pm
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If the Cubs do draft Starling, I hope they sign him quickly to
get him on the field this summer. Make a quick,
reasonable/generous offer and let him know that is going to be
it, and that they want him signed and in uniform in the minor
league system within a week of the offer, they will reduce the
offer to some absurdly low amount, let him play college football
and pocket the draft pick for 2012.
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Re: 2011 Draft
By: Jes Beard Date: May 31, 2011, 9:51 pm
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On Bubba Starling -- BA rates him the top HS prospect in the
country --
HTML http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/recruiting/2010/2610948.html
HTML http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/specials/highschool-potw/05/17/hspotw.26/index.html
Starling is a 6-foot-5, 190-pound beast blessed with wiry
strength and tremendous athleticism. He's dominated seemingly
every sport since grade school, developing into a regional
celebrity. At Gardner Edgerton High, he's a superstar in
baseball, football and basketball. Take baseball, for instance.
Starling is Baseball the nation's top-rated high school
prospect, a do-it-all outfielder and a righthanded pitcher who
can touch 94 on the radar gun. He's been likened to Carl
Crawford and Josh Hamilton, a five-tool threat equally
proficient hitting for power and average. Through nine games,
he's batting .522 with four home runs, 10 RBIs and seven stolen
bases.
HTML http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/player-Bubba-Starling-95194<br
/> Ht:6'5"verified
Wt:193 lbsverified
40:4.5 secs
GPA:3.4
SAT:22
Class:2011 (High School)
HTML http://www.swiowanews2.com/blogs/?p=376
Finally, some stats, if only from his 21-game high school
season: .508 average, eight home runs, 21 steals (though it
doesn’t mention how many times caught stealing). Pitching wise,
in 37 innings Starling posted a 1.89 ERA, striking out 53 and
walking only 7 (about a 7.5-to-1 ratio).
Awesome stats, no doubt. Stats that should be mentioned in every
story about Starling’s baseball abilities.
*I also found this breakdown of Starling’s swing on Baseball
America.
I just finished “Moneyball,” so it’s fresh in my mind. And I
can’t help but think of the story of Billy Beane, can’t-miss,
highly-rated baseball prospect, when I read Starling storys
without stats.
Early on “Moneyball” details the story of outfielder/pitcher
Beane, who all the scouts loved because of his athleticism, his
“makeup,” his speed, canon arm, five tools, etc. But even after
Beane’s average fell from in the .500s his sophomore and junior
years to the .300s as a senior, the scouts still loved him*.
They failed to notice that he was a free-swinger with no plate
discipline and other deficincies in his swing.
With that in mind, I’ll be sure to keep an eye on Starling’s
senior season stats.
*Many in the Mets organization, who drafted Beane and Darryl
Strawberry in the same year, thought Beane would be better than
Strawberry.
This post, I suppose, is less about Starling and more about the
people who write the stories about him.
Starling may turn out to be amazing, a major leaguer, a Hall of
Famer. But the hagiography needs some hard data.
HTML http://huskerextra.com/sports/football/recruiting/article_703f60d4-1d67-5037-8026-84ebbe0b639e.html
[i]Another scout watches Starling in batting practice Friday.
This scout's team doesn't have a pick until late in the first
round ("We'll never get him," the scout says). He says
Starling's speed is just a notch below the fastest
major-leaguers. His arm strength is outstanding from center
field. His swing doesn't necessarily wow anybody, the scout
says, but that part of Bubba's game likely would be developed
easily because of his strength and athleticism.
Here's what I liked most about Starling: He ranged far to his
left to cut off a drive to right-center field, wheeled and
gunned the ball on a line to second base. The second baseman
tried to cut off the throw before it reached the shortstop
covering the bag. Bubba didn't like that.
"Let it go (to second base)," he shouted angrily.
Everyone says Starling is ultracompetitive -- he despises
losing.
"The scouts don't ask me questions about his ability," says Van
Rheen, the Gardner Edgerton coach. "I mean, that's so blatantly
obvious. A lot of the questions are character-type questions
because they're not in a situation where they can take a
questionable character."
How's Bubba in that regard?
"He is the highest-character kid you will ever meet," Van Rheen
says.
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