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#Post#: 347216--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 12, 2018, 11:05 pm
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Absolutely. Get the guy you like best. I think it's a good
plan. Pay slot, take your favorite signable guy, and use your
overage and 8-10 senior signs to buy a couple of HS prospects at
variable but relatively modest overslot.
I'm just talking to myself, I think. Last year, with Little who
I didn't expect that high, and then Abbott who wasn't projected
that high, and Thompson who wasn't projected that high, I
wondered if they were picking up a couple-hundred underslot on
each. False. Again, this month I thought with Hoerner and
Richen, they might pic up a couple hundred each. False.
Next year, I'm going to squelch any such "I wonder if" thoughts
that come to mind!
#Post#: 347226--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 13, 2018, 7:55 am
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Ethan Roberts, after pitching 4 innings on Saturday, comes back
on Monday with 3.1 more, but Tennessee Tech is eliminated.
3.1 / 3 / 0
Hope that kind of workload does his arm no harm. Can't imagine
he's going to pitch much, if at all, this summer.
#Post#: 347249--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 13, 2018, 12:54 pm
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The coach actually pulled him, he wanted to stay in the game....
#Post#: 347250--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 13, 2018, 12:58 pm
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
>
> I'm just talking to myself, I think. Last year, with Little
who I didn't expect that high, and then Abbott who wasn't
projected that high, and Thompson who wasn't projected that
high, I wondered if they were picking up a couple-hundred
underslot on each. False. Again, this month I thought with
Hoerner and Richen, they might pic up a couple hundred each.
False.
>
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The hard part is we only have the public rankings to inform
ourselves. So he see a guy being down the rankings and think
that he should come in under slot. What he don't have is how
the Cubs view the player and other teams view the player. It
only takes 1 other team being interested in a player close to
when the Cubs pick to keep that player from being an underslot.
Best case is somebody like Schwarber, near the top of your board
and down on other teams. That is what we should be hoping for!
#Post#: 347273--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: chgojhawk
Date: June 13, 2018, 4:24 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
>
> The hard part is we only have the public rankings to inform
ourselves. So he see a guy being down the rankings and think
that he should come in under slot. What he don't have is how
the Cubs view the player and other teams view the player. It
only takes 1 other team being interested in a player close to
when the Cubs pick to keep that player from being an underslot.
Best case is somebody like Schwarber, near the top of your board
and down on other teams. That is what we should be hoping for!
>
--- End Quote ---
I would say it doesn't even take that much. It merely takes the
perception that another team is similarly interested.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 13, 2018, 4:25 pm
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
>
> The hard part is we only have the public rankings to inform
ourselves. So he see a guy being down the rankings and think
that he should come in under slot. ....
--- End Quote ---
Just to make clear here, I am NOT saying any of Hoerner, Richen,
Abbott, Little, or Thompson "SHOULD" have come under slot. I'm
just saying that at the time, I thought then that it seemed
reasonable to wonder if they "would" come under slot.
What I am saying is that at this point, I don't think I'm every
going to entertain that question during rounds 1-6 again!
#Post#: 347293--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 13, 2018, 7:08 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
>
> I am old enough to remember when juvenile court records were
NOT sealed, and the ongoing justification for doing so. Quite
simply put, the belief was that a mistake by a teenager should
not result in the destruction of his entire life. I found that
hard to dispute back then, and feel that it is still valid
today.
>
> Much of the Christian religion (at least MY view of MY
Christian religion) is based upon the concept of redemption.
"Go and sin no more" was the directive. Certainly, if this kid
was guilty of continuing or recommitting the offense, his
punishment should continue. But in the absence of that, it is
time for EVERYONE to let it go.
>
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I knew you were older than I am, but....
I believe most states began sealing Juvenile Court records by
about 1910, not long after creating Juvenile Courts.
#Post#: 347294--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 13, 2018, 7:16 pm
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--- Quote from: chgojhawk link ---
>
> My understanding, based on reading an article a month or so
ago is that the kid has denied all charges from the beginning of
the allegation up until now. At no time did he ever admit to
doing anything to his niece (other than in court). The
allegation is allegedly based on the little girl telling her
mother that Luke touched her inappropriately. As a defense
attorney I can tell you that young children can be convinced to
say just about anything. Did mom continue to say "did Uncle
Luke touch you...." Or did the little girl just tell her mom
that Uncle Luke touched her. Huge difference in this one.
>
> Skipping ahead......it seems that he was told that the
juvenile record would be sealed when he turned 18. If I
remember correctly, Heimlich, or his attorney, forget to do the
sealing so it remained open.
>
> Lets talk about pleading guilty to something that the
defendant believes he is innocent of committing. It happens all
of the time. I do it all of the time. Hypothetically lets say
that I have a drug case where the state offers me whats called
"410 Probation". My guy claims innocence. 410 Probation
basically means that the defendant jumps through some hoops and
stays out of trouble and the case is dropped. If we go to trial
and win the case is dropped. If we go to trial and lose he
might face a jail sentence and will certainly have a criminal
conviction on his record. I would almost ALWAYS suggest the
safe road which is 410 Probation.
>
> In this case a plea may seem extreme, but you are dealing with
family and perhaps it was suggested to him that he shouldn't put
the entire family on trial. Perhaps he was told that he would
need to jump through some hoops and then at 18 (before he leaves
for college) the whole incident would be behind him. Who knows
what he was told prior to pleading out on the matter. Bad legal
work? Perhaps. Looking at the totality of putting the entire
family on trial and making them take sides? Perhaps.
>
> Again, I don't want him on the Cubs due to the negative
publicity. I know enough about ownership and management to know
that he isn't likely to be a Cub. If the team is looking to
move on from Russell based on the domestic violence case, I am
confident that the Cubs won't be interested in Heimlich.
>
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I agree completely... just as I did before your post.
--- Quote from: Jes Beard link ---
>
> Those convicted of crimes, AND who unquestionably actually did
exactly as they were convicted of, quite often later insist they
did not actually do what they were convicted of. This is true
even when the conviction is a result of a confession and a
guilty plea.
>
> This happens so often that it is perfectly reasonable and
rational to ignore and dismiss the claims of innocence.
>
> At the same time, there ARE some people who are convicted
without having done what they are convicted of. There ARE some
who confess to charges for conduct they never actually engaged
in (though I understand no confession is involved here). And
there ARE some who plead guilty and accept sentences even when
they did not do as charged, something which most often happens
when they enter into a plea agreement far more favorable than
what they faced the risk of happening if the case went to trial.
>
> In this guy's case, if the guilty plea meant being treated as
a juvenile and not doing any prison time, and having the records
sealed (or believing they would be), even if it also meant
registering as a sex offender, that might have quite reasonably
been more attractive than going to trial as an adult and being
imprisoned for the next ten years, even if the prospect of
conviction was no more than ten percent.
>
> When deciding whether to accept a guilty plea, the real
question is not whether you did as charged, but the likely
sentence if convicted discounted by the likelihood of
conviction.
>
> In the case of the major league teams, the question would seem
less likely whether he did or did not do as he pled guilty to,
or whether he does or does not "deserve" a second chance. The
question likely was primarily one of how the public would react
to the news of his past.... and absent the girl involved coming
forward and insisting that the charges were all a crock and that
he really never did anything and that her mother just made ****
up, I suspect GMs throughout the league made the logical
decisions.
>
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#Post#: 347297--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 13, 2018, 7:57 pm
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Mayo tweeted Richan signed for full pick and said $450,000 which
isn’t full slot. 🤷‍♂️
#Post#: 347300--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 13, 2018, 9:07 pm
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That's hilarious! So just when I've accepted that they aren't
doing sub-slots until round 8, we find that they sub-slotted a
guy by >$300K at <60% of slot. :)
And that's the guy who said they called him first and asked if
he would sign for slot!
Heh heh, maybe he left out the part about them asking if he'd
sign for 4th-round slot, not 2nd-round slot? :)
Not sure what to conclude there. I guess that they didn't
actually scout guy as true 2nd-round caliber, to spin it
negatively. Or else that they REALLY liked the HS guys and knew
they were willing to go even further over-slot to get them, to
spin it positively.
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