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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 10, 2018, 1:55 pm
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This is just social media, there is an actual guilty plea.
Teams did the math and his talent wasn’t worth drafting him. If
he was a #1 starter it might have been different. Personally I’m
glad he didn’t get drafted. I have no clue if he did or didn’t
do what he pled guilty to, but I don’t think it is worth having
to risk having him in professional baseball.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 11, 2018, 12:58 pm
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Ethan Roberts pitched 4 innings in Tenn Tech's win over Texas in
their first game. K'd the side in his first inning, then
allowed one run, 4 hits, 1K/1BB over the remaining three.
I hadn't paid a lot of attention to him during draft. I know he
was an outlier being drafted that high as a relief-pitcher for a
program that isn't a traditional power. But he's also an
outlier in that he's so small. Lists as 5'11" on BBCube.
Will be interesting to see how the Cubs use him when he starts
his pro career next year. Strictly relief all the way, or at
least in the minors will they start him to get more pro innings
more quickly? Or who knows, maybe he'll be one of those
outliers who transitions from relief to rotation and sticks.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Dave23
Date: June 11, 2018, 1:11 pm
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Per Twitter, deals are pending with 7th round OFer Artis, and
24th round P whose name is escaping me
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Dave23
Date: June 11, 2018, 1:13 pm
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Blake Whitney
For those of you who like tracking draft signings, follow
@savermetrics on twitter
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 11, 2018, 1:14 pm
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What I think is interesting is he is a high spin rate guy, but
the breaking ball isn't describe as a plus pitch. There has
been some talk about spin and needing to be on the ideal axis
for it to matter. I wonder if they are going to try and tinker
with that.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Bennett
Date: June 12, 2018, 3:33 pm
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Patrick Mooney @PJ_Mooney 41m41 minutes ago
Sources: The #Cubs are finalizing an agreement with first-round
pick Nico Hoerner expected to be worth slot value ($2.724
million for No. 24 overall). The plan is for the Stanford
shortstop to take his physical this week in Arizona and begin
his pro career with Class-A Eugene.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 12, 2018, 4:07 pm
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I wonder if the Cubs have kinda for the most part bagged the
idea of doing creative underslots to help fund overslots? That
was a huge deal with Schwarber, where they saved $1.5 and used
that to sign the three HS pitchers.
But I wonder if they've decided against messing around with
that, for either procedural reasons or psychological reasons or
both. Last year, it seemed any of Little, Lange, Abbott,
Thompson, or Uelman might have been given underslot. With the
possible exceptionof Lange, they probably all seemed to go a
little higher than the media rankings projected, kind of like
with this years picks; and with all but Little being college
juniors without much senior-year leverage, you'd think that
**IF** the Cubs had wanted to squeeze, probably any of those
guys would have signed at 80% slot rather than walk away.
Little did apparently go a little under ($174K), but that's
peanuts. Lange ended up a little under, but I think that was
only after he failed his physical.
This year, it would have seemed that both Hoerner and Richan
would sign for sub-slot rather than return to school. But it
appears both are going to get full slot.
Thoughts:
1. Only cash for overslots needs to come from the 5% overage
and senior-signs. Probably around $700K available to cover
Davis, Roederer, Franklin, and any potential 3rd-day overslots.
(If any, Cubs rarely do 3rd-day overslots, to my knowledge.) .
2. Operationally, I think just going with slot might make
everything a lot smoother.
a. When calling during the draft itself, lots easier to call
and say "will you sign for slot?" than doing negotiations for
how far beneath-slot a guy is willing to go?
b. Perhaps easier for creating board? "X at 80% is better
value than Y at 95% value, but I still think that Z at 109% slot
might still be a better value....". Might be lots easier just
to rank Z > Y > X, and take the top guy on your board who'll
sign for slot.
c. Should make signing deal easy, too. "You said you'd sign
for slot, here's slot offer, sign here.....". No negotiating
required.
3. I wonder if there isn't also some psychology and "treat
people with respect" aspect? Cubs are very conscious of
treating guys well, and having them love the organization. If
you're trying to scrinch Hoerner and Richan to go sub-slot, do
they come out with a player-vs-management mindset? Feel like
they were getting screwed? Feeling disrespected?
So perhaps Cubs just feel like sticking with slot is good for
morale and relationships and attitudes, and is so much simpler
operationally, that it's just not worth it to mess around with
sub-slotting guys other than 8th-10th-round senior signs?
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: ticohans
Date: June 12, 2018, 4:21 pm
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For all the picks the Cubs had this year, their total draft
budget was still relatively small, due to the fact that all the
picks were very late in their respective rounds. You need more
money than the Cubs had to successfully play the underslot game,
IMO.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 12, 2018, 8:46 pm
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If trying for a big top-15 prospect, yes. But you don't need
millions to have access to interesting guys who'd be willing to
sign for a million. Cease or Steele-scale overslot, or Hanneman
or DJ Wilson or Estrade from last year. Cubs should have
$0.6-0.7 to play with by going slot. If they'd pressed Hoerner
to sign for $2.0, would he have said forget it, I'm going to
wait for a later round or next year?
I'm not challenging the logic. I think everything flows so much
easier if you just plan for slot for most of your picks, and
just pick the best guy you've got who's willing to slot. Sure
makes those phone calls easier, I think.
And slot or no, you've still got shot to still sign one or more
$1M guys in the mid-rounds. Estrada last year.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 12, 2018, 10:56 pm
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Schwarber is really the only time the Cubs have gone well below
slot and that was more of the Cubs really liking him vs the rest
of the industry.
Maybe they could of squeezed Hoerner for a couple hundred
thousand or maybe he was going in the next couple of picks and
had leverage on the Cubs.
You are always better off taking the best guy on your board.
Getting savings is nice, but your first pick is the pick most
likely to reach the majors.
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