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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: June 9, 2018, 5:57 pm
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What I'm saying is, I wouldn't hire him to babysit kids, but if
his pitching talent could in some way help him redeem his life,
give the poor bastard a shot.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Playtwo
Date: June 9, 2018, 7:00 pm
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Where does what he did to the life of the girl he molested
factor in?
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: chgojhawk
Date: June 9, 2018, 8:47 pm
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I have a hard time with this one. I wouldn't want the Cubs to
draft him based on the charges, but I do believe in 2nd chances
especially when the transgression occurs when the person is a
juvenile. With that said, the allegations are vulgar and
disgusting.
Some of you may know that I am a criminal defense attorney. For
those that don't.....now you know. My understanding, based on
reading an article a month or so ago is that the kid has denied
all charges from the beginning of the allegation up until now.
At no time did he ever admit to doing anything to his niece
(other than in court). The allegation is allegedly based on the
little girl telling her mother that Luke touched her
inappropriately. As a defense attorney I can tell you that
young children can be convinced to say just about anything. Did
mom continue to say "did Uncle Luke touch you...." Or did the
little girl just tell her mom that Uncle Luke touched her. Huge
difference in this one.
Skipping ahead......it seems that he was told that the juvenile
record would be sealed when he turned 18. If I remember
correctly, Heimlich, or his attorney, forget to do the sealing
so it remained open.
Lets talk about pleading guilty to something that the defendant
believes he is innocent of committing. It happens all of the
time. I do it all of the time. Hypothetically lets say that I
have a drug case where the state offers me whats called "410
Probation". My guy claims innocence. 410 Probation basically
means that the defendant jumps through some hoops and stays out
of trouble and the case is dropped. If we go to trial and win
the case is dropped. If we go to trial and lose he might face a
jail sentence and will certainly have a criminal conviction on
his record. I would almost ALWAYS suggest the safe road which
is 410 Probation.
In this case a plea may seem extreme, but you are dealing with
family and perhaps it was suggested to him that he shouldn't put
the entire family on trial. Perhaps he was told that he would
need to jump through some hoops and then at 18 (before he leaves
for college) the whole incident would be behind him. Who knows
what he was told prior to pleading out on the matter. Bad legal
work? Perhaps. Looking at the totality of putting the entire
family on trial and making them take sides? Perhaps.
Again, I don't want him on the Cubs due to the negative
publicity. I know enough about ownership and management to know
that he isn't likely to be a Cub. If the team is looking to
move on from Russell based on the domestic violence case, I am
confident that the Cubs won't be interested in Heimlich.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: ben
Date: June 9, 2018, 9:50 pm
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Thanks for your interesting thoughts, chgojhawk
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: June 9, 2018, 10:25 pm
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In this day and age, I think the team signing him could spin the
signing, perhaps giving him a $250,000 signing bonus which he
gives to the offended family. Put him in a position of service
for Big Brothers or Make a Wish. If he messes up again as an
adult, fine, he's done. Thanks for the input, chgojhawk.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Deeg
Date: June 9, 2018, 10:28 pm
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Wouldn’t donating the bonus to the family be tantamount to
admitting he was guilty?
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: June 9, 2018, 10:31 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
>
> Wouldn’t donating the bonus to the family be tantamount to
admitting he was guilty?
>
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In the eyes of the law, he already is, because he plead guilty.
Claiming otherwise now ain't helpin'.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: davep
Date: June 9, 2018, 10:50 pm
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Hopefully, someone will sign him and give him a chance.
Personally, I hope it isn't the Cubs that does so.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Deeg
Date: June 10, 2018, 12:24 am
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--- Quote from: CurtOne link ---
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> In the eyes of the law, he already is, because he plead
guilty. Claiming otherwise now ain't helpin'.
>
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I think you're dismissing that element too easily.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: DelMarFan
Date: June 10, 2018, 12:15 pm
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No team drafted him because a) they investigated and think he's
still a creep, or b) they're trying to insulate themselves from
Social Media Justice. I suspect it's B. Social Media Justice
is scary stuff. At its worst, it's like our president--it
avoids any semblance of nuance, throws a bunch of shit against a
wall, and gets lots of people riled up.
At this point, it doesn't matter what the kid did or didn't do,
or whether he's served his time and performed his debt to
society. Social Media Justice has deemed him a child molester,
and teams are afraid to have anything to do with him at risk of
being labeled as Shameful (soft on sex crime, whatever).
Personally, I suspect the kid has gotten screwed and has at
least been punished enough, so I hope he does get a shot--a
quiet one out of the spotlight of the draft--and I'd be okay if
it was with the Cubs (I trust them to do their homework).
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