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#Post#: 346712--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 7, 2018, 10:04 pm
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--- Quote from: davep link ---
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> I have read every famous quote from every famous person, and
no one has ever said "the paper you and the rest of us is
looking at likely is not the same paper the draft team is
looking at when it makes the picks"
>
> One guy said, "don't be absurd", but although perhaps an
adequate paraphrase, it is not the same as a quote.
>
--- End Quote ---
Believe it or not, not everything every famous person has
everything they say taken down for you to read.... but most of
them do use better grammar than what I wrote in that post.
Shit, most NON-famous people do better than I did in that post.
#Post#: 346723--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 7, 2018, 11:27 pm
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--- Quote from: JR link ---
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> Someone posted an article a while back about some of the
testing the Cubs put their draft prospects through. I remember
reading something about them testing Mookie Betts's hitting
instincts and finding some elite pitch recognition traits that a
lot of other teams wound up missing on.
>
> I guess that's where I might have more optimism for the high
school guys than the MLB or BA rankings had for them. If you
judge a player as having plus tools (which is where everyone
seemed to have them) and our internal testing shows plus
instincts and plus character makeup, that probably justifiably
moves a player up a few more notches than where the baseball
publications have them. Like with Roederer, if he has possible
Bientendi tools/upside that a lot of scouts apparently see and
you combine the top notch high school coaching he's already
gotten and he has first rate instincts/character grades that a
player has to have for the Theocracy to draft him that high,
that sounds like a legit supplemental second rounder to me. And
apparently we liked Brennan Davis even better than that, or else
we wouldn't have picked him first.
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Yeah, I'm hopeful that those kind of evaluations have improved
over the years, too, and that the Cubs have gotten better and
better at that? There were obviously a whole lot of good
prospect left when they were picking Davis and Roederer, but
those were the two that they chose. And chose, knowing that
they'd cost overslot, whereas some other good prospects would
have taken slot. So, to like them that much, not just at their
slot but to pay excess besides, speaks to the favorable scouting
they had on them. You don't do that unless you think there's at
least a decent chance the guys will hit.
#Post#: 346726--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 7, 2018, 11:33 pm
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--- Quote from: JR link ---
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> Keith Law...
>
> [quote]...Cole Roederer (2C) is a center fielder now with good
feel to hit but has a hitch in his swing that probably has to be
cleaned up for him to become a good hitter in pro ball. He also
likely ends up in a corner where his fringy power could become
an issue, so I'm not sure what the carrying tool is here. ...
--- End Quote ---
.[/quote]
Fringy power, probably corner defense, hitch in his swing.
That's not the super most toolsy writeup we've seen for him.
I've got to figure "hit" has got to be the carrying tool, if
he's going to work out.
#Post#: 346729--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 7, 2018, 11:42 pm
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--- Quote ---
> ....Outfielder Jimmy Herron (3) has an elbow injury that might
require Tommy John surgery. But if his arm recovers, he's a
center fielder with a good eye at the plate and a simple swing
for contact without much power.
>
> Ethan Roberts (4) was an "unbelievable Trackman" guy, which
means his pitch data drove him up the board. He'll work with
four-seamers up and a hard cutter/slider with a huge spin rate.
He has missed a ton of bats for Tennessee Tech on the road to
the supers and gets ground balls as well. He's the sleeper of
this class for me. Andy Weber (5) led UVA in average, OBP,
slugging and even homers (OK, he had five) this spring while
playing a solid second base -- he might be a little better than
fifth round, even with the lack of tools, because he also
doesn't have a glaring weakness, and I wouldn't be shocked to
see him turn into a fringe regular. D.J. Artis (7) was on the
back of my top 100 as a guy with a chance to be a regular in
center. He can run and has hand strength but needs to work more
on driving the ball.
>
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Those are much more positive than anything else I've read. The
"huge spin rate" for Roberts, that's news. WEber perhaps being
better than his round, and having a shot to become a regular,
that's pretty positive. And Artis having a chance to be a
regular, too. Also the view that both ARtis and Herron are true
CFers defensively. I like all that stuff.
#Post#: 346733--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 7, 2018, 11:59 pm
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
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> Ryan Harvey without the power....
>
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Actually laughed out loud at that one.
#Post#: 346742--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 8, 2018, 12:57 am
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--- Quote from: JR link ---
>
> Someone posted an article a while back about some of the
testing the Cubs put their draft prospects through. I remember
reading something about them testing Mookie Betts's hitting
instincts and finding some elite pitch recognition traits that a
lot of other teams wound up missing on.
>
> I guess that's where I might have more optimism for the high
school guys than the MLB or BA rankings had for them. If you
judge a player as having plus tools (which is where everyone
seemed to have them) and our internal testing shows plus
instincts and plus character makeup, that probably justifiably
moves a player up a few more notches than where the baseball
publications have them. Like with Roederer, if he has possible
Bientendi tools/upside that a lot of scouts apparently see and
you combine the top notch high school coaching he's already
gotten and he has first rate instincts/character grades that a
player has to have for the Theocracy to draft him that high,
that sounds like a legit supplemental second rounder to me. And
apparently we liked Brennan Davis even better than that, or else
we wouldn't have picked him first.
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Mooney has an article up on the draft that Davis scored well on
the Cubs pitch recognition/video game simulation software and
that the 4th round pick was helped to be identified by the R&D
staff. Worth the read.
#Post#: 346750--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Ron
Date: June 8, 2018, 8:23 am
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
>
> Mooney has an article up on the draft that Davis scored well
on the Cubs pitch recognition/video game simulation software and
that the 4th round pick was helped to be identified by the R&D
staff. Worth the read.
>
--- End Quote ---
Here is the link:
HTML https://theathletic.com/384762/2018/06/07/an-inside-look-at-how-the-cubs-2018-draft-class-came-together/
#Post#: 346751--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: ben
Date: June 8, 2018, 8:25 am
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It will take years for the 2018 draft to play out, but I believe
we can rest assured the Cubs had WAY, WAY more information about
our picks than BA or any other source.
Theo-Jed-Jason have always been focused on market inefficiencies
and ahead of the curve in drafting (e.g. Pedroia, Betts,
Schwarber) and now seem to be even more intent on drafting
hitters and pitchers who control the strike zone.
Time will tell, but I think we can feel rather confident that,
in the very inexact world of predicting where the game will go
and who can make the greatest leap, our front office DOES know
some things that the "experts" don't about the kinds of guys who
will be able to produce at the top level in the future for our
Team.
#Post#: 346752--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: davep
Date: June 8, 2018, 8:58 am
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--- Quote from: Jes Beard link ---
>
>
> "I have read every famous quote from every famous person, and
no one has ever said "the paper you and the rest of us is
looking at likely is not the same paper the draft team is
looking at when it makes the picks""
>
> Believe it or not, not everything every famous person has
everything they say taken down for you to read....
>
--- End Quote ---
Even if you want to be silly enough to take hyperbole literally,
what I said was "I have read every famous quote from every
famous person,"
I was referring only to FAMOUS quotes by famous people. How
many FAMOUS quotes do you know of by famous people that were
never put in writing?
#Post#: 346844--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: June 8, 2018, 10:51 pm
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At what point do you forgive a 15 year old?
HTML http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseball/story/_/id/23736321/oregon-state-pitcher-luke-heimlich-gets-wins-ncaa-super-regional-opener-versus-minnesota
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