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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: craig
Date: June 6, 2018, 8:26 pm
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> 77th overall #MLBDraft pick OF Cole Roederer: "I will be
signing with the Chicago #Cubs and not be attending UCLA. I had
a bottom dollar and they put their money in the price range that
I wanted and when I heard my name, it was a done deal."
> 10:16 AM - Jun 6, 2018
HTML https://twitter.com/Savermetrics/status/1004381425439666176
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: JR
Date: June 6, 2018, 11:54 pm
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> The 2nd-round pitcher with the bad ERA, there's got to be some
scouting perspective that past result is not the best predictor
of future performance.
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Just saw this from the Cubs.com draft review. I guess the Cubs
saw Richard differently than the sort of blah scouting reports
we saw earlier on his velocity.
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> Richan's fastball consistently reaches 94 mph, and he throws
two breaking balls that generate a lot of swings and misses.
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HTML https://www.mlb.com/cubs/news/cubs-focus-on-college-talent-in-2018-draft/c-280099668
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: June 7, 2018, 12:28 pm
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> As someone famous surely once said, they don't play the games
on paper. But on paper this is a strikingly uninspiring batch
of picks, which is the main reason you're not seeing much
traffic here, IMO.
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I suspect someone famous also once pointed out that the paper
you and the rest of us is looking at likely is not the same
paper the draft team is looking at when it makes the picks....
which may be another reason you are not seeing much traffic
here.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 7, 2018, 1:16 pm
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Chicago Cubs
Link to Draft Selections
Stanford 2B Nico Hoerner (1) has plus-plus speed, great
bat-to-ball ability, and sneaky power, but it’s unclear what
up-the-middle position he plays and he doesn’t lift the ball
much… Arizona prep CF Brennen Davis (2) is a classic power/speed
lottery ticket with lots of risk on the contact… SoCal prep CF
Cole Roederer (comp 2) had a late injury that dried up his
market a bit, but he has great feel to hit and a shot to stay in
center… San Diego RHP Paul Richan (comp 2) was likely an
underslot play to sign the prep outfielders, has solid-average
stuff and some moxie as a back-end/up-and-down type… Duke CF
Jimmy Herron (3) has a football background and plus speed but a
very flat swing path with little power… Virginia 2B Andy Weber
(5) has an advanced feel to hit and is decent at second base,
lacks power… Liberty CF D.J. Artis (7) has a very patient
approach and is a plus runner who can play center but not a
whole lot else. The Cubs draft someone like this every year…
Virginia RHP Derek Casey (9) is a favorite senior sign of ours,
with a good frame and good delivery. He also throws strikes and
has average stuff… Southern Miss 3B Luke Reynolds (9) put up big
numbers this year and could turn into a corner utility type…
Louisville RHP Riley Thompson (11) has a truly electric arm,
running his heater up to 99 mph, but the command and consistency
have never been there. Mitchell Parker (28) is a prep lefty from
New Mexico with upper-80s stuff, which plays better due to
deception, and a good curveball.
HTML https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/national-league-draft-recap/
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: davep
Date: June 7, 2018, 1:16 pm
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I have read every famous quote from every famous person, and no
one has ever said "the paper you and the rest of us is looking
at likely is not the same paper the draft team is looking at
when it makes the picks"
One guy said, "don't be absurd", but although perhaps an
adequate paraphrase, it is not the same as a quote.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: JR
Date: June 7, 2018, 1:39 pm
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> Arizona prep CF Brennen Davis (2) is a classic power/speed
lottery ticket with lots of risk on the contact… SoCal prep CF
Cole Roederer (comp 2) had a late injury that dried up his
market a bit, but he has great feel to hit and a shot to stay in
center…
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Someone posted an article a while back about some of the testing
the Cubs put their draft prospects through. I remember reading
something about them testing Mookie Betts's hitting instincts
and finding some elite pitch recognition traits that a lot of
other teams wound up missing on.
I guess that's where I might have more optimism for the high
school guys than the MLB or BA rankings had for them. If you
judge a player as having plus tools (which is where everyone
seemed to have them) and our internal testing shows plus
instincts and plus character makeup, that probably justifiably
moves a player up a few more notches than where the baseball
publications have them. Like with Roederer, if he has possible
Bientendi tools/upside that a lot of scouts apparently see and
you combine the top notch high school coaching he's already
gotten and he has first rate instincts/character grades that a
player has to have for the Theocracy to draft him that high,
that sounds like a legit supplemental second rounder to me. And
apparently we liked Brennan Davis even better than that, or else
we wouldn't have picked him first.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Dave23
Date: June 7, 2018, 2:19 pm
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Hoerner, Herron, and Weber sound quite a bit like a kid I know
pretty well...
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: June 7, 2018, 4:20 pm
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HTML https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/02/18/neuroscouting-may-give-red-sox-heads-prospects-potential/EFBHR3zNdThk1NboRpNMHL/story.html
I think they did something similar with Schwarber.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: JR
Date: June 7, 2018, 5:48 pm
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Keith Law...
[quote]Chicago Cubs
Nico Hoerner (1) is a high-contact singles hitter from Stanford
who was one of the few shortstops in the draft whom you could
project to stay at the position long-term. He doesn't have power
and rarely walked, but hitters who strike out this seldom are
rare, and scouts absolutely raved about the kid's makeup and
instincts on the field.
Brennen Davis (2) is a plus runner and center fielder who is an
outstanding athlete but a long way off with the bat. His stock
was hurt a little by a hamstring injury that kept him from
running all-out much of the spring. I'm also annoyed that there
was a prospect playing less than two miles from the house I
owned and sold in 2013. Great timing, fellas.
Cole Roederer (2C) is a center fielder now with good feel to hit
but has a hitch in his swing that probably has to be cleaned up
for him to become a good hitter in pro ball. He also likely ends
up in a corner where his fringy power could become an issue, so
I'm not sure what the carrying tool is here. Paul Richan (2C)
has been up to 94 as a starter with an average breaking ball,
missing bats and never walking guys, while giving up a lot of
hard contact due in part to the present lack of a average third
pitch. He should go out as a starter with the obvious caveat
that he'll need that additional weapon to stay there. Outfielder
Jimmy Herron (3) has an elbow injury that might require Tommy
John surgery. But if his arm recovers, he's a center fielder
with a good eye at the plate and a simple swing for contact
without much power.
Ethan Roberts (4) was an "unbelievable Trackman" guy, which
means his pitch data drove him up the board. He'll work with
four-seamers up and a hard cutter/slider with a huge spin rate.
He has missed a ton of bats for Tennessee Tech on the road to
the supers and gets ground balls as well. He's the sleeper of
this class for me. Andy Weber (5) led UVA in average, OBP,
slugging and even homers (OK, he had five) this spring while
playing a solid second base -- he might be a little better than
fifth round, even with the lack of tools, because he also
doesn't have a glaring weakness, and I wouldn't be shocked to
see him turn into a fringe regular. D.J. Artis (7) was on the
back of my top 100 as a guy with a chance to be a regular in
center. He can run and has hand strength but needs to work more
on driving the ball.
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Re: Cubs Draft 2018
DIR By: Dave23
Date: June 7, 2018, 6:10 pm
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That sounds better than what I have been seeing. Still not
glowing, but better...
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