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#Post#: 7714--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: StrikeZone
Date: May 13, 2011, 9:08 pm
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Signing Prince Fielder would be monumentally stupid.
He's already DH-bad in the field.
#Post#: 7716--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: guest61
Date: May 13, 2011, 9:17 pm
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I dont think signing Prince would be wise either.
It wouldnt surprise me at all to see him eat his way out of
baseball.
#Post#: 7719--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: May 13, 2011, 9:41 pm
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Prince Fielder is only 27. His father, Cecil Fielder, was
putting up an OPS+ better than the league average thru age 33...
but after age 27 Cecil Fielder's OPS+ was only better than 117
once, for a 124, after having an OPS+ of 167 at age 26 and 133
at age 27.
Of course, Prince Fielder appears to be a bit better hitter than
his father was... and is much heavier.
Even without the added weight, Cecil Fielder's productive
longevity may be the best clue to Prince Fielders... and if that
is the case, I wouldn't count on much more than another year or
two for Prince Fielder as a premier hitter, and then another 3-4
as a decent hitter.
#Post#: 7723--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: Ray
Date: May 13, 2011, 10:32 pm
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--- Quote from: CurtOne link ---
>
> LOL Jiggy, you hit one idea that I've had all along. I think
it would be a BAD baseball move to sign him to that kind of
money, but it would be worth TWICE that just to watch some of
these dumba$$ Cardinal fans around here choke on their spit.
>
--- End Quote ---
agree with this...i would so be lurking some card boards, though
i have no idea where they even would be.
The sad thing is is when people talk about dividing the money up
to get a 15m player, maybe a 10m guy, and a 5m guy...money
doesn't go anywhere near as far as it used it...i'm amazed at
the guys getting in the 10m a year range...look at what we
signed Pena for after all. I understand it was a calculated
risk, but it was still absurd...
if injuries were out of the equation, i could see spending 30m
over 7 years on a guy like pujols, but not 10 years. And i go
no where near Fielder.
If it was up to me, and i realize its not...well, i just checked
the potential 2012 free agents and i have no idea what i would
do if it was up to me. It is quite underwhelming...Maybe
overpaying years wise for pujols is better than overpaying crap,
because at least you get a guy your going to enjoy watching for
a while. And if we let Aramis go, we have a huge hole at 3b.
Wilson Betimit, maybe? The thing about Pujols is he is a guy
that makes a lineup look good by himself, and the cubs have
lacked that for so long.
Ideal scenario to me is we trade some a-minus to b level
prospects for arb eligible hitters that are too expensive for
their small market teams...I actually wouldn't mind one of kc's
many first basemen...maybe trade pitching and some other type of
needed prospect to kc for one of their many first basemen and
alex gordon. Or, wasn't there a pretty decent first base
prospect stuck behind Votto in AAA?
I know i just posted a lot of jumbled crap, but its mostly me
thinking out loud trying to kill boredom...just wondering what
is feasible.
#Post#: 7729--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: Robb
Date: May 14, 2011, 4:57 am
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--- Quote from: brjones link ---
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> I guess the accuracy of the Soriano comparison depends a lot
on what you think Pujols will end up making. Sure, the 5 year
deal in the poll isn't going to be anywhere close to as bad as
Soriano. If he stays reasonably healthy, the worst case
scenario is it turns out to be as "bad" as the Dempster and
Ramirez contracts have been...worth it for the first half, but a
bit of overpayment for a productive player for the second half.
>
> But Pujols' starting point seems to be 10 years, $300 million.
If that's what he wants, I don't think you're going to get that
down much lower than 8/$250 million with a lot of clauses (no
trade, vesting options, etc.). Even Pujols is going to be a
Soriano-like albatross on the back end of that deal...I mean,
look at ARod. He signed his most recent contract at about the
same age Pujols will be this offseason. And 4 years in, that
contract looks like it'll be entering Soriano territory by 2012
or 2013.
>
> I'm hopeful that something will materialize that doesn't
include Pujols or Fielder (my Teixeira fantasy? Dodgers forced
to trade Ethier because of money?). I'd really prefer to stay
away from both first basemen...Pujols because of the cost for
his decline years, and Fielder because I don't think he's going
to age well at all.
>
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I don't have ardor towards signing Pujols, I just think the Cubs
would be nuts not to sign the guy to a 5 or 6 year contract if
he would accept it. If his starting point is 10 years or even 8
then forget it. That's pretty much it.
#Post#: 7736--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: buff
Date: May 14, 2011, 7:52 am
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I would do a 6 year 200 million dollar deal with 2 or 3 option
years that can vest automatically with performance. I think that
he is a player in like Sosa can make the team better.
We tried the spread it around approach before and it cost us a
HOF pitcher. Let's not do it again.
#Post#: 7737--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: May 14, 2011, 8:01 am
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I know we are all just dreaming about what we would do with
other people's money, but even then, wouldn't it be a good idea
to wait to the end of the year to see how Pujols did for the
year before deciding how much of that fantasy cash we would want
to spend?
If Pujols for the full season puts up numbers n line with what
he has produced so far, wouldn't that effect how much some of
you think should be offered and for how long?
#Post#: 7763--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: Ray
Date: May 14, 2011, 12:00 pm
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I've actually been wondering the exact same thing, about how
much it would affect his value. My fear is he does continue
have the down year, the card's sign him to a not so crippling
for them contract, and then he returns to his normal self while
letting them sign better players to go around him. I think a
down year makes it more likely he resigns with them.
#Post#: 7767--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: Jes Beard
Date: May 14, 2011, 12:12 pm
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I agree. And if for the entire season he puts up an OPS+ of
about 115 (which is roughly were he is now), I would hope no one
(here) would even want a six year contract with him, unless it
was not guaranteed and he could be cut at any time without an
obligation for anything more than that season.
#Post#: 7790--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
DIR By: Robb
Date: May 14, 2011, 4:15 pm
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So the harm in talking about Pujols to the Cubs right now is?
If you think it is early to worry about it then stay out of the
topic. Otherwise, I'm not too worried that our
speculation/opinion on the matter is really going to effect the
situation. See, that's what we do here.
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