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#Post#: 7678--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Robb Date: May 13, 2011, 6:29 pm
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Come on Jesbeard, you are taking 6 weeks out of a season to
indicate some sort of sudden decline in Pujols abilities? Talk
about small sample sizes. Let's ignore the rest of his career,
let's even ignore the last three years and focus in on 6 weeks
because it helps your argument. I have never suggested a ten
year contract or even eight. If he holds to that then I have no
interest. If you can pay a little more per year and get him for
less years though you would be stupid not to do it.
#Post#: 7693--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Chris27 Date: May 13, 2011, 7:23 pm
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As a bonus, stealing Pujols out from under the Cardinals would
make any mention of the Brock trade moot forever.
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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: CurtOne Date: May 13, 2011, 8:27 pm
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I don't think I ever compared him to Soriano, but then maybe you
weren't directing that at me.
You make some valid points about the kids and learning from
Albert, though not all the kids at St. Louis have seemingly
picked up a whole lot. I'm still more concerned with investing
so much in one player.
#Post#: 7701--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: guest61 Date: May 13, 2011, 8:35 pm
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I just dont think it's wise to make such a commitment to one
player.
For 30 million a year or whatever in this market we could
probably get a 1st baseman,2nd baseman,starting pitcher and a
reliever or two.
We'd be a lot closer to being good if we did that than we would
if we committed all that to one player and a player that might
be 34-35 at that.
Im definitely not gonna bitch at all if we sign Pujols right out
from under St. Louis but I'd be willing to bet every dime I have
that whoever does sign him ends up regretting it in the end.
#Post#: 7703--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Jes Beard Date: May 13, 2011, 8:45 pm
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[quote author=CurtOne link=topic=51.msg7699#msg7699
date=1305336435]
I don't think I ever compared him to Soriano....
[/quote]
I don't think anyone compared him to Soriano.
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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Jes Beard Date: May 13, 2011, 8:48 pm
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[quote author=JIGGY link=topic=51.msg7701#msg7701
date=1305336920]
For 30 million a year or whatever in this market we could
probably get a 1st baseman,2nd baseman,starting pitcher and a
reliever or two. We'd be a lot closer to being good if we did
that than we would if we committed all that to one player and a
player that might be 34-35 at that.
[/quote]
We would be a lot better, for a lot longer, if we didn't look at
filling four positions with expensive FA players and instead
rebuilt with prospects.
#Post#: 7706--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: CurtOne Date: May 13, 2011, 8:48 pm
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LOL Jiggy, you hit one idea that I've had all along. I think
it would be a BAD baseball move to sign him to that kind of
money, but it would be worth TWICE that just to watch some of
these dumba$$ Cardinal fans around here choke on their spit.
#Post#: 7710--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Jes Beard Date: May 13, 2011, 8:51 pm
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[quote author=CurtOne link=topic=51.msg7706#msg7706
date=1305337708]
LOL Jiggy, you hit one idea that I've had all along. I think
it would be a BAD baseball move to sign him to that kind of
money, but it would be worth TWICE that just to watch some of
these dumba$$ Cardinal fans around here choke on their spit.
[/quote]
And it would be the height of foolishness to cripple your own
organization just to irritate fans of another team, particularly
when who before the contract would be over, they would be
laughing at you again.
#Post#: 7712--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Jes Beard Date: May 13, 2011, 8:57 pm
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[quote author=Robb link=topic=51.msg7678#msg7678
date=1305329377]
Come on Jesbeard, you are taking 6 weeks out of a season to
indicate some sort of sudden decline in Pujols abilities? Talk
about small sample sizes. Let's ignore the rest of his career,
let's even ignore the last three years and focus in on 6 weeks
because it helps your argument.
[/quote]
No. It is not cherry picking to find stats to support a
position. It is looking at current stats to help REACH a
position. Granted, there is no way the Cubs can even talk with
Pujols now, and by the time they could, there will be a full
season of stats there. If he again puts up a season with an
OPS+ at his career levels, then the first six weeks are
meaningless. If his full season ends up anywhere close to where
he is now, then I would hope that even your ardor, as well as
that of the Cub fans who want to sign Pujols primarily to
irritate Cardinal fans, would have faded.
#Post#: 7713--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: brjones Date: May 13, 2011, 8:59 pm
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I guess the accuracy of the Soriano comparison depends a lot on
what you think Pujols will end up making. Sure, the 5 year deal
in the poll isn't going to be anywhere close to as bad as
Soriano. If he stays reasonably healthy, the worst case
scenario is it turns out to be as "bad" as the Dempster and
Ramirez contracts have been...worth it for the first half, but a
bit of overpayment for a productive player for the second half.
But Pujols' starting point seems to be 10 years, $300 million.
If that's what he wants, I don't think you're going to get that
down much lower than 8/$250 million with a lot of clauses (no
trade, vesting options, etc.). Even Pujols is going to be a
Soriano-like albatross on the back end of that deal...I mean,
look at ARod. He signed his most recent contract at about the
same age Pujols will be this offseason. And 4 years in, that
contract looks like it'll be entering Soriano territory by 2012
or 2013.
I'm hopeful that something will materialize that doesn't include
Pujols or Fielder (my Teixeira fantasy? Dodgers forced to trade
Ethier because of money?). I'd really prefer to stay away from
both first basemen...Pujols because of the cost for his decline
years, and Fielder because I don't think he's going to age well
at all.
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