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#Post#: 7426--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Jes Beard Date: May 12, 2011, 8:53 pm
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ARod is still an all-time great, which seemed to be the only
criteria you mentioned, and I suspect that the Yankees right now
would actually let him go without requiring any talent. ARod
for Koyie Hill straight up might well do it.
#Post#: 7428--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Chris27 Date: May 12, 2011, 8:54 pm
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A-Rod is not an option. Let's just stick with the one guy we're
talking about.
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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: JBN Date: May 12, 2011, 9:02 pm
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Even with Pujols, this team would still suck. They have too many
other holes like in LF, SS, 2B, C, 4 starters, a coaching
staff, an entire bench.
It would be like 1987 all over again with Andre Dawson.
#Post#: 7437--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: CurtOne Date: May 12, 2011, 9:05 pm
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JB, you give them waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit.
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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: JBN Date: May 12, 2011, 9:16 pm
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You're probably right. They need some new vendors as well.
#Post#: 7446--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Jes Beard Date: May 12, 2011, 9:18 pm
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[quote author=Chris27 link=topic=51.msg7428#msg7428
date=1305251685]
A-Rod is not an option. Let's just stick with the one guy we're
talking about.
[/quote]
So your "he's an all-time great" criteria really was not one you
would actually use.
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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Chris27 Date: May 12, 2011, 10:07 pm
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Is there nothing you won't parse to the greatest degree
possible?
I mean, what's the point of doing so?
#Post#: 7465--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Jes Beard Date: May 12, 2011, 10:37 pm
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Is there any point in insisting that the standard you used is
not one you really meant? Is it "parsing" to point out that you
did not really mean what you said? Or should we simply ignore
what you say because you don't mean it? And how should we
distinguish when you do mean it and when you don't? Or should
we simply assume you never mean it? Instead of being defensive,
and trying yourself to parse things, such as "ARod is not an
option. Let's just stick with the one guy we're talking about,"
why not just acknowledge you overstated your position, or
clarify what you in fact meant?
I really was not trying to play a game of "gotcha," but instead
trying to get you to clarify just what your position was, or
what your criteria for supporting such a move might be....
because the one you offered clearly was NOT one you really
meant, as Dave also pointed out when he sarcastically suggested
that perhaps we should sign Pete Rose (or perhaps Dave wasn't
being sarcastic and was simply trying to "parse to the greatest
degree possible."
But perhaps it was not really worth the effort on my part to try
to determine what your criteria might be in supporting something
like signing Pujols. If you are not able to articulate it, it
likely is not going to be very convincing.
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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Chris27 Date: May 12, 2011, 11:09 pm
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Well, I have my answer even if indirectly.
I'd guess my point was obvious to anyone on planet Earth. Are
you with us, Jes? Hello?
Because it's really tough to figure out why someone would want
Albert Pujols on their team. A real head-scratcher there.
You set up a straw-man that had nothing to do with Pujols, and
when I rightly ignored it, you pretend I didn't back my opinion.
Rodriguez and Pujols have nothing to do with one another.
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Re: Pujols to the Cubs?
By: Jes Beard Date: May 13, 2011, 7:48 am
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Yes, Chris, ARod and Pujols DO have something to do with each
other. Just as Dave's Rose example does.
All three are "all-time greats." That was the only criteria you
gave. There is no "straw man" which either Dave or I set up.
We used YOUR criteria to point out that YOUR criteria made
little sense and likely does not even reflect your actual
thinking.
But instead of clarifying your thinking or acknowledging that
you did not really mean what you wrote, you start talking about
a "straw-man" and attacking me as not being from "planet Earth"
or parsing your comments too much.
Chris, all I am trying to do is to understand what you meant or
what your criteria would be for wanting to sign a Pujols. They
obviously are not as you expressed them.
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