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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: brjones
Date: November 7, 2017, 6:42 pm
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Heyman tweeted that Lackey is not retiring and plans to pitch
next year. Hopefully it's for someone other than the Cubs.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 7, 2017, 7:26 pm
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If my math and Cot’s contracts is correct Samardizja and
Melancon are owed $107.4 through 2020 and Hayward is owed
$135.1667 through 2023 because the Giants backloaded their
contracts and Hayward’s was frontloaded.
The neat feature is that for luxury tax purposes Samardizja and
Melancon are worth $33 million/year and Heywad is $23 million.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 8, 2017, 9:40 am
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I wonder how many Cub fans are out there who will be shocked
when Arrieta signs with someone else.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Ron
Date: November 8, 2017, 10:08 am
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--- Quote from: CurtOne link ---
>
> I wonder how many Cub fans are out there who will be shocked
when Arrieta signs with someone else.
>
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What? Do you really think he would do that? Say it ain't so,
Jake!
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: craig
Date: November 8, 2017, 10:16 am
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--- Quote from: CUBluejays link ---
>
> If my math and Cot’s contracts is correct Samardizja and
Melancon are owed $107.4 through 2020 and Hayward is owed
$135.1667 through 2023 because the Giants backloaded their
contracts and Hayward’s was frontloaded.
>
> The neat feature is that for luxury tax purposes Samardizja
and Melancon are worth $33 million/year and Heywad is $23
million.
>
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How is that "neat"?
For us, that lux-wise, we'd be getting a rotation guy (and if
healthy perhaps a pen piece) for "only" $10 hit in lux? Whereas
if we sign a FA rotation guy plus a pen guy, while keeping
Heyward, the lux-increase would be much, much, much higher than
$10?
And perhaps also a motivation for them, that they would knock
$10 off, and free up lux space for buying other assets?
Interesting that a salary exchange like that would save the Cubs
<$30M longterm ($107 vs $135). But would clear Heyward's
commitments off from when Bryant etc. are free agents. An extra
$23/year might be kinda welcome during the 20's.
Melancon was to have pronator-syndrome surgery. Suggested 2-3
month recovery, so theoretically could be fully recovered for
next season.
HTML http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/04/breaking-giants-mark-melancon-to-undergo-surgery-for-rare-muscular-syndrome/<br
/>
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 8, 2017, 10:50 am
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--- Quote from: craig link ---
>
> How is that "neat"?
> For us, that lux-wise, we'd be getting a rotation guy (and if
healthy perhaps a pen piece) for "only" $10 hit in lux? Whereas
if we sign a FA rotation guy plus a pen guy, while keeping
Heyward, the lux-increase would be much, much, much higher than
$10?
>
> And perhaps also a motivation for them, that they would knock
$10 off, and free up lux space for buying other assets?
>
> Interesting that a salary exchange like that would save the
Cubs <$30M longterm ($107 vs $135). But would clear Heyward's
commitments off from when Bryant etc. are free agents. An extra
$23/year might be kinda welcome during the 20's.
>
> Melancon was to have pronator-syndrome surgery. Suggested 2-3
month recovery, so theoretically could be fully recovered for
next season.
HTML http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/04/breaking-giants-mark-melancon-to-undergo-surgery-for-rare-muscular-syndrome/
>
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You wouldn't have to replace Heyward externally. Happ and
Zobrist could take over RF, so no increase in pay roll for RF.
So they Cubs would essentially be getting a relief pitcher and
starter for $10 million a year, which you might be able to get 1
relief pitcher for a little less than that. If you keep Heyward
the cost is $23+ SP + RP, which will be much more than
The other neat thing is getting rid of the extra years allows
the Cubs to clear payroll when Russell and Bryant will be
entering their last year of arbitration. I get the appeal for
the Cubs, but I'm not sure why the Giants would want to do it
unless they really hate Melancon.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 8, 2017, 11:36 am
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There's no chance the Giants are remotely interested in any
iteration of this. It's a non-story.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: brjones
Date: November 8, 2017, 11:40 am
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Giants beat writers are now tweeting that this rumor is
nonsense.
Keep in mind it originated with Phil Rogers.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 8, 2017, 11:48 am
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I heard Bumgardner is a throw-in.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: JR
Date: November 8, 2017, 11:51 am
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The trade would be a -1 for the Giants. No way in hell they do
that.
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