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#Post#: 329887--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: Deeg
Date: November 7, 2017, 1:34 pm
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Lynn is also one year off TJS, so to conclude he's "losing
velocity" seems pretty silly to me. Most guys regain velocity
the 2nd year back after TJS.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 7, 2017, 1:38 pm
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If it's a tossup, I would always sign players away from our
biggest threats. St. Louis, Dodgers, Nationals, Brewers... You
fill a hole and guarantee one in the other team. I'm sure
that's what the Cards were thinking with Fowler, although I
doubt we would have resigned him. We did it to them with
Lackey. Sure that can backfire, but since the free agent system
was created, it's what the top teams do to each other. That's
why I would pursue Rosenthal before the Cards sign him to a
minor league deal. Word here is that the Cards are in on
Santana, JD Martinez, a trade for Stanton, and Arrieta and
Davis. They will go hard for Davis. If nothing else, they want
us to go higher to try to keep him.
#Post#: 329890--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: craig
Date: November 7, 2017, 1:55 pm
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Cardinals with JD Martinez could be pretty scary.
I've wondered about the Cubs going after him. Adding a really
good, professional hitter in the middle of the lineup would
really, really make a difference. Over last four years his
composite OPS has been well over .900, so it would be like
adding another Rizzo-caliber bat to the lineup.
I know Theo loves Schwarber, but if you were to add a Martinez,
you could then free up Schwarber for trade. Not sure quite what
he'd bring you, but somebody who'd at least have a shot to
become good.
Think an extra really, really good bat who's an every-day threat
makes the lineup more relentless and takes some pressure off the
other guys. And gives the lineup a better chance to be good
even during weeks when Bryant or Rizzo, or both, are cold.
#Post#: 329893--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: brjones
Date: November 7, 2017, 2:20 pm
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I love JD Martinez's bat, but the problem with him is that he's
already almost unplayable in the outfield defensively. He's
also over 30 now, so there's not much chance that he's going to
improve. At some point during his next contract, he's almost
definitely going to have to move to DH full time.
I agree that another every day bat is a need for this team,
though. I'd prefer it to be more of an on-base guy for the top
of the lineup rather than a slugger. I really believe the "you
go, we go" effect with Fowler was bigger part of their success
in 2016 than anyone realized, and not having that in 2017 was a
major reason the lineup was so much more inconsistent.
#Post#: 329898--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: brjones
Date: November 7, 2017, 2:52 pm
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Phil Rogers is doing his best to get attention:
Phil Rogers‏ @philgrogers
@Giants have interest in @Cubs' Jason Heyward, w/Jeff Samardzija
and Mark Melancon to offer. Very complicated deal but not
impossible.
#Post#: 329899--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CUBluejays
Date: November 7, 2017, 2:55 pm
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--- Quote from: Deeg link ---
>
> Lynn is also one year off TJS, so to conclude he's "losing
velocity" seems pretty silly to me. Most guys regain velocity
the 2nd year back after TJS.
>
--- End Quote ---
That isn't true. Velocity is one of the first things to return.
It either comes back or it doesn't. Command and control can
take awhile to return, but not velocity.
#Post#: 329900--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: guest61
Date: November 7, 2017, 2:58 pm
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--- Quote from: brjones link ---
>
> Phil Rogers is doing his best to get attention:
>
> Phil Rogers‏ @philgrogers
> @Giants have interest in @Cubs' Jason Heyward, w/Jeff
Samardzija and Mark Melancon to offer. Very complicated deal but
not impossible.
>
--- End Quote ---
Tear their fucking arm off and run Theo.
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Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: CurtOne
Date: November 7, 2017, 3:26 pm
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Why would the Giants do That?
#Post#: 329906--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: craig
Date: November 7, 2017, 3:33 pm
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--- Quote from: brjones link ---
>
> I love JD Martinez's bat, but the problem with him is that
he's already almost unplayable in the outfield defensively.
He's also over 30 now, so there's not much chance that he's
going to improve. At some point during his next contract, he's
almost definitely going to have to move to DH full time.
>
> I agree that another every day bat is a need for this team,
though. I'd prefer it to be more of an on-base guy for the top
of the lineup rather than a slugger. I really believe the "you
go, we go" effect with Fowler was bigger part of their success
in 2016 than anyone realized, and not having that in 2017 was a
major reason the lineup was so much more inconsistent.
--- End Quote ---
Yeah, good points. Is there a FA leadoff guy available? If so,
I haven't been thinking of him.
Martinez is a good bet to be as good or better an OBP guy than
Fowler, it's not like you're giving up any OBP with a bat like
that.
I'm fine to defer to you guys and Theo on the defense, didn't
realize it was that bad. Schwarber's isn't exactly good either;
so if you were to replace a DH in left with another DH, would it
really be that big of a defensive decline? Heh heh, if he's
really a mile worse than schwarber defensively, that is kind of
scary!
Still, I admit that part of me thinks that hitting, hitting, and
hitting every day is just such a team-changer. You replace a
.211-BA Schwarber with a .300-hitting Martinez, every day, and
without needing to platoon, and that really makes it easier to
sustain innings and grind a pitcher. I know for Theo's Red Sox
champs, Manny Ramirez wasn't an asset in left defensively, but
an elite bat in the lineup changes a lot. And most games there
aren't many balls hit to left anyway, most of which are easy
plays or sure hits regardless, without necessarily
discriminating much between an awful left fielder versus a
merely bad one.
I know Cubs have pitching problems. But I'm a huge believer
that a consistent, high-scoring offense can cover up a multitude
of sins. And I think it actually can make pitchers better.
Pitching with a lead, or with the expectation that team will
come back and score runs even if you give up a solo-HR, would
seem to have a freeing influence, and allow guys to throw more
strikes rather than needing to nibble so much. Which seemed to
be very much the Lester/Q/Montgomery/Arrieta approach as
starters, and the Bosio/Contreras approach with the bullpen guys
as well.
#Post#: 329907--------------------------------------------------
Re: Cubs in '18
DIR By: brjones
Date: November 7, 2017, 3:35 pm
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How reliable is Dan Bernstein? Does he know anything? Here is
his tweet in response to the Rogers tweet:
Dan Bernstein‏ @dan_bernstein
This is true. I have heard similarly.
It really makes no sense for the Giants. As much as some people
here don't like him, Samardzija is still a pretty good pitcher.
If they ate a little of his contract, they could get pretty good
prospects back. And I'm not high on Melancon going forward, but
at least he's under contract for only 3 more years. And with a
good 2018, you might get lucky and have him opt out of the last
two years of his deal.
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